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JonnyP
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posted: 2014-01-22 16:49:50 (ID: 100021576) Report Abuse |
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Strange wrote:
Try being a cowboys fan on this site. You get nothing but unwarranted hate and shit from brits just for liking a team they dont. But.. the... Cowboys???? Of all teams? You will all be bowing before the might of the Eagles next season  |
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Chareos
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posted: 2014-01-22 17:17:48 (ID: 100021588) Report Abuse |
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and don't forget Eddie Lacey of the Packers
he may not have the greatest stats but for me it is very interesting what this rookie made out of the non existent Packers Rush game |
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JohnnyAce
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posted: 2014-01-22 18:25:09 (ID: 100021606) Report Abuse |
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just anecdotal (too lazy to google stats) from my spotty memory but...
morris doesn't catch the ball much out of the backfield- so when the redskins go 2-minute (which was often cuz they were behind often) morris doesn't have much roll in that offense. also, how well does he pick up the blitz? can he run screens well? I would rate him as top 10 just as a pure runner (he's durable which is good). |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-23 00:20:47 (ID: 100021659) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
He gets the ball so much, as said earlier, he had one of the least amount of carries in all top 10 rated RBs for yardage? Washington very often abandoned the running game because we were behind so often so went to RGIII's arm (!). Each to their own - you are demeaning my view of a player yet saying hes not far shy of a top 5 place anyway. Stats are all subjective and as we know can be used to prove or disprove pretty much anything - if you dont rate him thats fair enough - but i stand by my arguments and havent seen anything to dissuade me otherwise. And that isnt (just) because he is a Redskin. There arent many Redskins i actually rate that highly - Morris, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Trent Williams - Jordan Reed showed promise - the rest are fairly ordinary at best - giving due deference to London Fletcher who i think we all agree has been a consummate professional and deserves nothing but full respect. You haven't responded as to why you don't consider receiving yards for RBs too? Is it because Morris happens to have very few catches which shows a big weakness in his game compared to the other elite RBs? Because if you do count yards from srimmage then Morris is only 12th in yards and 15th in yards per game. |
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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-23 10:20:38 (ID: 100021698) Report Abuse |
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I consider rushing stats to be important for a Running Back. Thats their day job. If RGIII doesnt throw him the ball, preferring Garcon (who broke the Redskins all time receiving record this year) then i dare say his stats will be shite in comparison to RBs like Forte, McCoy etc to who dumping the ball off to the RB is a large part of their playbook.
A few receivers rush also. But you dont dismiss Megatron, AJ Green etc because they never have plays designed to gain them rushing yards also and say well that lowers them in the best WR category do you? Many RBs dont catch the ball that often - Frank Gore a prime example. Arian Foster another. That isnt Morris's fault and thats not what im talking about. Same as many QBs dont rush that often - does that make them a lesser QB? Morris is a running back - maybe under Gruden then screens and dump offs will become a larger part of the Redskin offence - in which case you will get your need for this to be present which seems so vital to you. But to me if he maintains his yardage numbers for RUNNING - which again is his day job - then he will do for me and i hope he is the focal point of the Redskins backfield for years to come. Comprende s'il vous plait? Last edited on 2014-01-23 10:21:49 by MTS1972 |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-23 15:01:36 (ID: 100021736) Report Abuse |
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The problem is that you said "top 5 RB" not "top 5 at running the ball" and that's a major difference. Best RB implies that we have to take into consideration everything RBs do to help their team, not just carrying the rock.
WRs don't run anywhere nearly as much as RBs catch the ball though but I'd be fine with comparing WRs based on yards from scrimmage as opposed to simply using receiving yards. Just like when I talk about "the best QB" I include the running ability that some have and it'd be a completely different conversation to who the best "passer" is imo. It's like if you said Sproles is a terrible RB because he doesn't run very much while imo he's excellent. Talking about catching RBs, don't you guys actually play Helu on 3rd down? You've watched more Redskins games than I have so this is a genuine question but if you do it's another point against Morris. |
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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-23 15:39:28 (ID: 100021745) Report Abuse |
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If you were asked a question in a quiz 'What position does Alfred Morris play for the Washington Redskins' what would your answer be?
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-23 15:44:45 (ID: 100021748) Report Abuse |
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Can you stop answering my questions with questions please? I'm trying to have a civilized debate here. Obviously he's a RB but so is Sproles and they're very different players. Morris is a better runner while Sproles is a much better pass catcher so in order to compare the two we need to take into consideration the impact they have on their team overall, don't you think that's a fair statement?
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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-23 15:49:59 (ID: 100021752) Report Abuse |
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you know what your answer would be and i know what you are talking about.
However, when asked 'who do you think is the best QB currently' you would give one answer - now lets say that is Peyton Manning - you may answer differently if asked who is the best scrambling QB or who would be the most productive QB from a fantasy perspective - but whilst a QB can do many things - first and foremost they are there to drop back and pass - which is why many would answer Manning. I believe Morris is a top 5 Running Back. I dont have to qualify that by saying but he isnt a top 5 pass catching back or all purpose back. Im talking about running - a rusher - and i have said nothing different from the start. You can be as pedantic as you like. I agree with you about Sproles. Same as Reggie Bush, Danny Woodhead and a few others - very effective in situations but not true feature backs. Morris is a feature back. Yep, Helu Jr comes in on 3rd downs as an option - why is that a negative against Morris? Bush comes in for Forte. Many teams use a second RB in situations as opposed to their stud. That point makes no sense at all. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-23 16:05:45 (ID: 100021757) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
you know what your answer would be and i know what you are talking about. However, when asked 'who do you think is the best QB currently' you would give one answer - now lets say that is Peyton Manning - you may answer differently if asked who is the best scrambling QB or who would be the most productive QB from a fantasy perspective - but whilst a QB can do many things - first and foremost they are there to drop back and pass - which is why many would answer Manning. I believe Morris is a top 5 Running Back. I dont have to qualify that by saying but he isnt a top 5 pass catching back or all purpose back. Im talking about running - a rusher - and i have said nothing different from the start. You can be as pedantic as you like. I agree with you about Sproles. Same as Reggie Bush, Danny Woodhead and a few others - very effective in situations but not true feature backs. Morris is a feature back. Yep, Helu Jr comes in on 3rd downs as an option - why is that a negative against Morris? Bush comes in for Forte. Many teams use a second RB in situations as opposed to their stud. That point makes no sense at all. No need to get your knickers in a twist buddy, this is supposed to be a fun debate. I'm most definitely not going to convince you and you're probably not going to convince me either but it's interesting to read the opinion of someone who sees things from a different perspective. Anyway, let me address your points in order. I'll expand your question a little bit because at QB the #1 is quite obvious... However, if I was asked to make a list of top 10 QBs I would probably rank Kaepernick ahead of Stafford even though Stafford is probably a better passer than Kaep. Kaep is obviously a better scrambler but I'm talking about the hypothetical situation in which I would have to pick a QB for one game between Kaep and Stafford, I'd probably pick Kaep. Morris is a feature back who comes out on 3rd down so not an every down back, that's what my point was about Helu coming in on 3rd down. You might not think that it's a major knock on his stock and I accept that, I'd even agree with it but it's still something to take into consideration. Just like blitz pick up ability is something to take into consideration when evaluating RBs. Let's put ourselves in a hypothetical scenario, each and every RB in the NFL is placed in a draft poll and GMs are asked to draft them for one game only. I don't think Morris would be picked in the top 5, you apparently think he would and that's perfectly fine but I'm just explaining to you why I think you're wrong. I think guys like Ray Rice, Forte and Lynch would be picked ahead of him but after the obvious top 4 (McCoy, Peterson, Charles and Foster) and then a few guys would be arguable like Murray, Sproles, Bush, Gore & Moreno. Can you accept that I value running backs differently than you do? I'm not sure I should put numbers into it but I'd give pure running a 40/50% value, then pass catching 30/40% and blitz pick up 15/20% and then I'd average the grades each RB would get in each category to come up with a proper ranking. |
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