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holmeboy
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posted: 2013-05-12 06:24:51 (ID: 95494) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
But I do agree about the 5-3 (or 4-4) vs the passing game in general. Yep. I have games where I average < 2-3 yards passing against 5-3/4-4, while my opponent gets 5/6 yards throwing against my 34/33 even though I'm stronger on ratings... The only formation I get excited about throwing against is 4-3 lol Last edited on 2013-05-12 06:46:39 by holmeboy |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2013-05-12 06:44:19 (ID: 95496) Report Abuse |
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Let's note, in this game the SG4WR vs 5-3-3 was 11/34/3.1. That's not particularly good, but it also a pretty small sample size.
I'm also guessing, that most of the passes where short passes, I wonder what a few medium passes might have done. Additionally, I wonder if rushing 5 linemen put more pressure on the QB which resulted in some misfires. I would hope that with this match-up, the offense was normally more productive. However, with only 11 plays, 34 yards could just be a bad day. That said, I do think there are some formations that require a bit of tuning. Steve SD Blitz Last edited on 2013-05-12 07:27:01 by Solana_Steve |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-12 09:15:04 (ID: 95503) Report Abuse |
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Yeah, I guess the 4-4 and 5-3 become like the old Bears 4-6 D if the corners are shut down types.
Having said that, even a team with a couple of good CBs would see their opponent with at least 1 good WR most of the time. So that WR will make catches and break a tackle now and then. And that should be a TD, or a big play at least, every time it's an out pattern. |
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bagss
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posted: 2013-05-12 10:13:06 (ID: 95507) Report Abuse |
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yeah 5-3-3 is so overpowered we should make sgs4 much stronger now
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| posted: 2013-05-12 17:40:39 (ID: 95533) Report Abuse | |
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Also, some teams have adjusted what their linebackers look like and their role. In college, were the spread offense is becoming more popular, many teams have hybrid safety-linebackers (safety size & skills, linebacker positioning) to handle the slot receivers in spread offenses.
My old school even has a name for the position, they call it the mini-backer. So just because a player lines up as a LB, doesn't necessary mean he does have speed and cover skills. Steve SD Blitz |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-12 18:11:47 (ID: 95541) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Also, some teams have adjusted what their linebackers look like and their role. In college, were the spread offense is becoming more popular, many teams have hybrid safety-linebackers (safety size & skills, linebacker positioning) to handle the slot receivers in spread offenses. My old school even has a name for the position, they call it the mini-backer. So just because a player lines up as a LB, doesn't necessary mean he does have speed and cover skills. Steve SD Blitz With RZA I thought that too because in we can build hybrids for every position you want. But again... canonico wrote:
 Source: http://i39.tinypic.com/2hczy38.png  Source: http://i42.tinypic.com/5ajl7p.png Note - Players with an "X" mean that they played in the game in question. Without "X" did not. Plenty of missmatches there if you ask me. The LB's lack speed when compared to the WR's. The two fastest LB's on HF didn't even played. Having a WR with 49 speed beeing covered by a LB with 37 speed, shouldnt that be a missmatch? Shouldn't the WR go by the LB? I think so. But all this could mean nothing if WvB was using short passes all game, aldo on 3rd down the QB seeks the necessary yardage for a 1st down (I think). Anyways small sample size to make more of it than just a healthy discussion. |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-12 20:34:46 (ID: 95562) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
Plenty of missmatches there if you ask me. The LB's lack speed when compared to the WR's. The two fastest LB's on HF didn't even played. Having a WR with 49 speed beeing covered by a LB with 37 speed, shouldnt that be a missmatch? Shouldn't the WR go by the LB? I think so. But all this could mean nothing if WvB was using short passes all game, aldo on 3rd down the QB seeks the necessary yardage for a 1st down (I think). Anyways small sample size to make more of it than just a healthy discussion. LBs are a little deeper than a CB would normally be then also throw into the fact that the passing is likely to be short then having 49 SPD isn't that much of an advantage. Lets try to put some numbers to it then. A 0 speed player runs at 75% of the speed of a player with 50 for speed. So someone who has 37 speed would in fact run at 93% of the 50 speed player. Over 100 yards that would mean that there would be a 7 yard advantage for the faster player. A QB throws a short pass aiming for a first down on short passes and looking at the game in question the longest the Bobcats were from a first down when passing was 10 yards. This would mean that the 50 speed player would have an advantage of just 0.7 yards if they lined up together. But they don't there has to be a minimum of 1 yard separation when the ball is snapped so the LB would still be at least level with the WR when the QB released the pass. Last edited on 2013-05-12 20:49:05 by bwadders76 |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-12 20:54:25 (ID: 95564) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
canonico wrote:
Plenty of missmatches there if you ask me. The LB's lack speed when compared to the WR's. The two fastest LB's on HF didn't even played. Having a WR with 49 speed beeing covered by a LB with 37 speed, shouldnt that be a missmatch? Shouldn't the WR go by the LB? I think so. But all this could mean nothing if WvB was using short passes all game, aldo on 3rd down the QB seeks the necessary yardage for a 1st down (I think). Anyways small sample size to make more of it than just a healthy discussion. LBs are a little deeper than a CB would normally be then also throw into the fact that the passing is likely to be short then having 49 SPD isn't that much of an advantage. Lets try to put some numbers to it then. A 0 speed player runs at 75% if the speed of a player with 50 for speed. So someone who has 37 speed would in fact run at 93% of the 50 speed player. Over 100 yards that would mean that there would be a 7 yard advantage for the faster player. A QB throws a short pass aiming for a first down on short passes and looking at the game in question the longest the Bobcats were from a first down when passing was 10 yards. This would mean that the 50 speed player would have an advantage of just 0.7 yards if they lined up together. But they don't there has to be a minimum of 1 yard separation when the ball is snapped so the LB would still be at least level with the WR when the QB released the pass. And that's one of the reasons why I suggested, and we discussed that a diferent build system should be put into place. Got shot down by the community, so now according to your math (which I am not questioning) it's plausible to have a LB who has 37 speed beeing able to keep up a WR that has 49 speed in a 10 yard space. And only give up 7 yards to a 50 speedster WR in 100 yards, seems too small of a gap for such a big speed difference. But that's just my opinion. Clearly the 5-3-3 did well in this game against passing formations. That is a fact. But like I previously mentioned, small sample size. But that math you presented get's me concerned, I thought that the diference would be much wider between a 37 Speed player and a 50. |
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posted: 2013-05-13 03:32:48 (ID: 95576) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
Plenty of missmatches there if you ask me. The LB's lack speed when compared to the WR's. The two fastest LB's on HF didn't even played. Having a WR with 49 speed beeing covered by a LB with 37 speed, shouldnt that be a missmatch? Shouldn't the WR go by the LB? I think so. But all this could mean nothing if WvB was using short passes all game, aldo on 3rd down the QB seeks the necessary yardage for a 1st down (I think). Anyways small sample size to make more of it than just a healthy discussion. To me there is an obvious problem here - pass med/long. If they worked properly, or the engine took advantage of such mismatches itself, then the 4-4 and 5-3 would disappear in std situations - as they should. Also, Os need to be able to audible if the D puts in unbalanced Ds like that. Irl an O would audible to deep outside passes nearly all the time, and every time a WR made a play - - - - > TD. Again, as it should be. |
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