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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-03 13:48:42 (ID: 100106430) Report Abuse |
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Rod26 wrote:
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Did you try blitzing 75% every minute instead of every quarter? Pete has already said that it isn't an aggregate of the lb line so my suggestions still in the conversation... I didn't mention it in one of my last posts, but I got the 23 sacks in my last friendly because I was blitzing 75% every minute. So the high rate of sacks is probably due to the playbook and not the speed of MLBs. You mean the blitz rate. I also have blitz rate set to 75%. Did you look at the results of your game to see if you were blitzing more than 75% by setting it every minute? |
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If you haven't called the same defensive formation every minute instead of every quarter against any formation then how do you know it's not this? Trying to help here.
 You need to test this too before claiming it's anything else as Pete has confirmed it's not an aggregate speed issue.
I've tested it and found blitzing is much more if set at every minute than every quarter so I'm sticking with it, good luck with your testing.  |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-03 13:51:13 (ID: 100106432) Report Abuse |
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dell_g wrote:
If you haven't called the same defensive formation every minute instead of every quarter against any formation then how do you know it's not this? Trying to help here. You need to test this too before claiming it's anything else as Pete has confirmed it's not an aggregate speed issue.
I've tested it and found blitzing is much more if set at every minute than every quarter so I'm sticking with it, good luck with your testing. What blitz rate are you getting when you do this? Regardless, that is a question of blitz rate, not sack rate. Those are two very different things. I am talking about sack rate (sack/blitz) not blitz rate (blitz/pass). |
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| posted: 2017-06-03 14:57:28 (ID: 100106445) Report Abuse | |
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Rock777 wrote:
dell_g wrote:
If you haven't called the same defensive formation every minute instead of every quarter against any formation then how do you know it's not this? Trying to help here. You need to test this too before claiming it's anything else as Pete has confirmed it's not an aggregate speed issue.
I've tested it and found blitzing is much more if set at every minute than every quarter so I'm sticking with it, good luck with your testing. What blitz rate are you getting when you do this? Regardless, that is a question of blitz rate, not sack rate. Those are two very different things. I am talking about sack rate (sack/blitz) not blitz rate (blitz/pass). I thought you was still talking about the below. If you can get blitzing going around 75% like the below then you will have a higher % chance of getting sacks.... Was your blitz rate still around 59% in your latest tests or have you got nearer 75% now? Rock777 wrote: Wellesley 92 blitzes on 318 rushing plays (29%) 170 blitzes on 287 passing plays (59%) 13 sacks (8%) Galrauch 252 blitzes on 306 rushing plays (82%) 273 blitzes on 313 passing plays (87%) 49 sacks (18%) |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-03 16:35:37 (ID: 100106450) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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The last set of games I analyzed between myself and the Raiders we were both blitzing ~75%. I'm still surprised the Raiders get such a high blitz rate, but the bigger question for me is why I am getting such a low sack rate when I do blitz compared to them.
Its really the question about the 8% vs the 18%. Which is a significant gap (especially given I would expect higher skilled players to have a higher success rate). Last edited on 2017-06-03 16:37:07 by Rock777 |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2017-06-03 22:57:01 (ID: 100106484) Report Abuse |
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You're using four games as evidence?
You'll need to prove this with a lot more games than that. Can you provide your evidence as follows o formation vs d formation, yards to go until first down, no. Of blitzes, combined speed of lbs , position of player blitzing. There will be more information needed on top |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-03 23:18:40 (ID: 100106490) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
You're using four games as evidence? You'll need to prove this with a lot more games than that. Can you provide your evidence as follows o formation vs d formation, yards to go until first down, no. Of blitzes, combined speed of lbs , position of player blitzing. There will be more information needed on top It is the only factor that made a difference when I changed it. Blitzing on running plays certainly had no impact. I played faster (and weaker) MLBs for two games after firing all my coaches, and saw an increase in OLB sacks despite a decrease in TC (and new LB and DL coaches that are weaker). Certainly not conclusive, but very indicative. I know you don't want to share the great secret, but I appreciate you calling hot and cold. Just not sure what else it could be. Are you calling cold here...? Its not entirely clear as you are being a bit vague (probably intentionally). |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2017-06-04 13:55:15 (ID: 100106539) Report Abuse |
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Rock777 wrote:
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You're using four games as evidence? You'll need to prove this with a lot more games than that. Can you provide your evidence as follows o formation vs d formation, yards to go until first down, no. Of blitzes, combined speed of lbs , position of player blitzing. There will be more information needed on top It is the only factor that made a difference when I changed it. Blitzing on running plays certainly had no impact. I played faster (and weaker) MLBs for two games after firing all my coaches, and saw an increase in OLB sacks despite a decrease in TC (and new LB and DL coaches that are weaker). Certainly not conclusive, but very indicative. I know you don't want to share the great secret, but I appreciate you calling hot and cold. Just not sure what else it could be. Are you calling cold here...? Its not entirely clear as you are being a bit vague (probably intentionally). I'm cold on your theory for two reasons. 1 I believe Pete said it's inaccurate and he wouldn't intentionally mislead 2 The figures don't seem to back it up Looking at your games you'd expect to see a 3-1 series win for you at worst considering the skill difference so it's my thinking that you have a playbook problem more than anything. If your theory was correct you'd see four groupings for sacks depending upon the number of LBs you use 3-4-4 and 4-4-3 3-3-5, 4-3-4 and 5-3-3 5-2 and Goalline D Dime and 3-1-7 THis would make the last three groups redundant as 3 x 50 SPD LBs would be less effective than 4 x 40 SPD LBs. Your data doesn't correlate to this either. I had a longer more detailed message before but Pete hit the rollover button so I lost it. |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-04 14:25:16 (ID: 100106546) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
I had a longer more detailed message before but Pete hit the rollover button so I lost it. That sucks. I really hate when I type a long message and then lose it 
I fired all my coaches after the first game (including the head coach), and I wasn't really paying any attention to offense, so wins/loses is pretty irrelevant. The only thing I was looking at was sack rate. Despite firing the coaches and having low TC, sack rate (of my OLBs) increased when I put in faster MLBs. By aggregate I really mean average. I realize aggregate is a bit of a vague term, so that was my fault. Three 50 speed guys would perform at 50 speed if it is an average. But two 50s and two 40s are only going to perform at 45 speed. You are right Pete said it was wrong. I know he wouldn't mislead, but he could be mistaken (bugs do happen). I'd be happy to be proven wrong here, but I don't see any other issue. I can't imagine how it could be a playbook issue given my defensive play calling against the pass isn't much different than the Raiders. Take a look at the Raider games. Ignore the run game. Do you really see anything wrong with my pass defense calling? If you do confirm I am doing something wrong, I would really appreciate it if you could at least confirm "yes, I see what you are doing wrong." Because right now I am assuming that isn't the issue. Thank you. Last edited on 2017-06-04 14:27:54 by Rock777 |
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Rock777
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posted: 2017-06-04 14:32:10 (ID: 100106549) Report Abuse |
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Actually, I used the same offensive game plan every game, and I think the Raiders used the same defense every game. Looking at the pattern, it really shows the effect of TC on game results (I fired all the assistant coaches after the first game and the head coach after the second game).
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