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| posted: 2021-04-21 16:24:21 (ID: 100158639) Report Abuse | |
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In some posts there was a small appearance of the in my eyes most important factor: pro soccer teams should be forced to pay huge parts of their income into youngster development. And I am not talking about the academy ran by big teams like Bayern München. I would love to see a rule established that cuts off x% (x to be significant) of income from such billionaires clubs, and the money flowing into the pockets of the small teams across the country. At the same time I would love to see a cutoff in TV license money, and a rule that allows public broadcasters to report from those billionaires leagues without any fee and restriction.
Reason behind: at least in Germany we call Soccer/Football "Breitensport", something like every(wo)mens sport. We empower kids in playing soccer. And this structure is the base of the upper league levels at the end of the day. So let them pay for it, significant. And dont allow such leagues to hide in Pay TV |
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| posted: 2021-04-22 06:44:30 (ID: 100158657) Report Abuse | |
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JonnyP wrote:
A few years ago Jack, my opinion would have been similar. My interest in football decreased with the forming of the Premier League, and the fact that our media became saturated with football - getting ever worse with the expansion of the Champions League. But recently I learned the other side of it... through my own family. I'm the father of a very determined 16 year old daughter. When she was 7 she showed that determination through an explosive temper. So we decided to give her some discipline through martial arts. Within a year she was winning medals in local tournaments. By the age of 10 she was fighting in big events, and at 13 she was invited to take part in an Elite Development Scheme - at 14 she was ranked 3rd in Britain. But then came school, and exams. Judo was not available as part of the PE qualification, so she had to take up new sports. Due to time constraints she sadly pulled out of the British Judo Squad, to be able to divide her time with these new activities. One of these was football. She joined a local girls team. With no previous experience in the game she relied purely on her determination and the strength and athleticism from her Judo. After just a couple of games she was asked to play for the County Schools team. She now plays for Sutton Coldfield Town Under 17s, and was the 1st girl in that youth team to be asked to join their senior squad. This is Tier 5 of British Women's Football. They are a small club, but they have big aspirations, after all - they are just 4 promotions away from playing Manchester United and Chelsea! And for me, I've seen her aspirations and her progress, and the support she has got from enthusiastic, passionate people who also share her aspirations. It has reignited my interest in the game as a whole. I still have no love for the highest echelons of the game though - instead I'll be spending my Sundays watching Tier 5 Womens Football, and it is great! So do players ever have the opportunity to play college football/soccer anywhere in Britain? I think that's mostly an American thing...high-level college sports with scholarships. Also, in the states, there is a huge legal issue going on about players salaries for men and women soccer players. Is it any different in Britain? It's a complex issue between equal pay and unequal revenues. Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2021-04-22 07:22:40 (ID: 100158661) Report Abuse |
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Sport is played in schools and universities, but it's not the main feeding ground for professional sports clubs.
Typically a big sporting team will have its own academy, with a network of scouts going out watching youth sport, trying to spot talent. This talent is then nurtured through the youth system. Imagine something like this: Eagles 1st team Eagles 2nd team Eagles Under 21 team Eagles Under 18 team Eagles Under 16 team All the way down to about 10 years old. |
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| posted: 2021-04-22 07:27:05 (ID: 100158663) Report Abuse | |
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Obviously all the soccer clubs are hurting after the covid year. But I think this would have been a financial temptation even in regular times.
The NFL (which we are all familiar with) has placed a high priority on financial parity in order to produce on-field parity (anyone can win it all). Other American sports don't do such a great job, but they have salary caps and luxury taxes, so at least there is some push towards parity. I know in European football, they have financial fair-play rules - - but it doesn't seem to work very well. Didn't Man City basically just roll right over them? But anyway, European football seems exceptionally popular, but almost none of the leagues have any sort of parity from top to bottom. That always interests me why... Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2021-04-22 08:44:35 (ID: 100158665) Report Abuse |
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Because parity is not the key factor, aspiration is.
Imagine a small local team setting up, lets call them the Providence Pirates. In the UK (and most if not all European football leagues), there is a possibility that through hard work, luck, whatever, that team can rise through the leagues - the promotion/relegation system - to get to the top. Teams have done it... Now over to the NFL - it's a closed shop. There's no promotion and relegation, in fact there's an incentive to be the worst - 1st Draft Pick. How would the league dynamics change if the draft did not exist, instead the teams had their own youth development structures, and the teams with the worst records got relegated? |
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| posted: 2021-04-22 10:05:22 (ID: 100158669) Report Abuse | |
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In Europe the money is more or less given to successful teams, playing in the national league and some sort of european competion, the most income worth is Champions League.
The more successful the more money, with no real mechanic to get better income, beside an eventually lucky punch in competion or some investor/money giver wanting for whatever reason to push the club. In Germany Bayern Muinch earns the most, therfore buys the best players and coaches and keeps winning, therefore earns the most and so on. |
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posted: 2021-04-22 10:30:38 (ID: 100158672) Report Abuse |
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Yep, it's the same here... though as I mentioned earlier Leicester bucked that trend when they won the title in 2016- their odds at the start of that season were 5000-1.
That's similar to the chances of us seeing the Jags beat the Jets in the next AFC Conference Championship with Trevor Lawrence throwing 10 TDs! |
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| posted: 2021-04-22 11:34:29 (ID: 100158678) Report Abuse | |
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I am very happy that this project seems to be already dead. Seeing those rich teams gather to become even richer at the depend of the other teams stands against many of my believes.
Also I do not know if having 6 "great" games every weeks would have been a good idea. What makes us like those games is that they are quite rare. Maybe it would have work in the Asian market, by people in Europe could have become bored. Also I must say I was quite surprise to see that such a decision could be taken without discussion with the fans, especially in teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona FC, "ruled" by socios. |
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posted: 2021-04-22 12:59:44 (ID: 100158679) Report Abuse |
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I think the main mistake is to consider "sport" when talking about "show business". Sport is what my 12-year-old son does with his friends on the weekend at the soccer field. When you buy a ticket to see a "Barça-Manchester City" you're not going to see sport, you are going to see a show. In the USA they know this, in Europe it seems that not yet.  |
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posted: 2021-04-22 14:39:26 (ID: 100158681) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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I would like a Super League on top of the Champions League, without any change about the current system.
16 teams in Super League and every season 8 relegations, with teams replaced by the first 8 teams of the Champions League. The only difference would be the 16 teams would not play in the national league in the seasons they are in Super League. The 8 relegated teams would play next season in their usual national league and in champions league. In this way it is true Champions League and national league would lose importance but also would gain a lot in competivity. The promotion/relegation system would be untouched and the 8 teams turnover in super league would keep more or less like now the unfair distributions of the money among the most important clubs  Last edited on 2021-04-22 15:16:16 by PJRAVENS |
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