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ptdoc2017
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posted: 2022-06-04 17:51:29 (ID: 100167493) Report Abuse
Go 14-2 and get the 6 seed. Tough top part of the league
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ptdoc2017
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posted: 2022-06-05 03:46:16 (ID: 100167515) Report Abuse
Holy hell, Sea Devils on life support. Coal Miners and Fenryka both go bot and Leeds and Ducks have announced their intention to go bot as well
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posted: 2022-06-12 01:13:10 (ID: 100167626) Report Abuse
Good game, Buzi. Some surprises with three lower seeds winning today. And ulero pulling the big shocker. I think we'll all be pulling for you against Leeds so we don't have to send a bot up to Elite next season
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ulero
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posted: 2022-06-12 09:42:37 (ID: 100167632) Report Abuse
Seems i'm back in the game, I don't want to let Sea Devils die Kept it quiet for a bit
TBH, i'm bit puzzled with my win against Ravens, but from the other side, hoping for a shocker. It will be difficult against Leeds, and will see how this season will end...
Cheers guys
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PJRAVENS
posted: 2022-06-13 09:04:28 (ID: 100167636)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
ulero wrote:
Seems i'm back in the game, I don't want to let Sea Devils die Kept it quiet for a bit
TBH, i'm bit puzzled with my win against Ravens, but from the other side, hoping for a shocker. It will be difficult against Leeds, and will see how this season will end...
Cheers guys


Congratulation for your win, just a question, did you win with only an HC and zero AC, so practically without a coaching staff at all?
I did not see your coaching staff before the game.

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ulero
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posted: 2022-06-13 10:05:43 (ID: 100167637)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
PJRAVENS wrote:
Congratulation for your win

Thanks, cheers
PJRAVENS wrote:
just a question, did you win with only an HC and zero AC, so practically without a coaching staff at all?
I did not see your coaching staff before the game.

Yes, HC only. This time I've decided to go with some weird game/strategy approach, even considered not to go with HC at all. We'll see if it will go well or as traditional bust of mine

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posted: 2022-06-13 14:08:04 (ID: 100167638) Report Abuse
Thanks for the feedback. It was jut to know.

I have nothing to say about you strategy and good for you for your win.

I feel to be an Idiot and I wonder why I have spent six seasons building my coaching staff since season 41, spending more or less 48M per season to have less results than you without one.

I am pretty sure a different engine math is triggered on when two teams of the same division plays each other expecially in the playoff, no matter the players on the field the coaching staff, the overall % difference and so on...
Pretty questionable engine behaviour in my opinion, for what should be a simulation game pretty good like this one.

This pumps up managers when they are buiding / rebuilding their teams, but really kills the morale of who after devoting too much time for sure to this game and a lot of work has reached what it is supposed to be a competitive team and in reality it is not.

A time I had been in your shoes too

S32 Sat 12/29/2018 16:00 Divisional Playoff Baltimore Ravens 30-28 Constanta Sailors

I had a coaching staff tho but -10% of overall difference.... more or less like you, now.

I took the won vs marinarul I take the loss against you.

But this is the second time in a row an under construcion team in a barely competive phase spoils my season.
Last season was Buzi with a -12% of overall difference, again a team in the same division, but happened in regular season.

Very difficult find motivations to go on, with no clue of how fix this issue wasting real life spare time waiting for what, expecially in a league when the half of the teams are bots.
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HH_KMN
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posted: 2022-06-13 15:15:25 (ID: 100167640) Report Abuse
PJRAVENS wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. It was jut to know.

I have nothing to say about you strategy and good for you for your win.

I feel to be an Idiot and I wonder why I have spent six seasons building my coaching staff since season 41, spending more or less 48M per season to have less results than you without one.

I am pretty sure a different engine math is triggered on when two teams of the same division plays each other expecially in the playoff, no matter the players on the field the coaching staff, the overall % difference and so on...
Pretty questionable engine behaviour in my opinion, for what should be a simulation game pretty good like this one.

This pumps up managers when they are buiding / rebuilding their teams, but really kills the morale of who after devoting too much time for sure to this game and a lot of work has reached what it is supposed to be a competitive team and in reality it is not.

A time I had been in your shoes too

S32 Sat 12/29/2018 16:00 Divisional Playoff Baltimore Ravens 30-28 Constanta Sailors

I had a coaching staff tho but -10% of overall difference.... more or less like you, now.

I took the won vs marinarul I take the loss against you.

But this is the second time in a row an under construcion team in a barely competive phase spoils my season.
Last season was Buzi with a -12% of overall difference, again a team in the same division, but happened in regular season.

Very difficult find motivations to go on, with no clue of how fix this issue wasting real life spare time waiting for what, expecially in a league when the half of the teams are bots.


don't swell on it mate. I know exactly how you feel

Random influence on a single game can be huge. There are just some games that you absolutely cannot win. With proper playcalling, proper coaching, good talent at the right places you do bring the probability of an upset down, but you will never be able to eliminate it completely

However there were so many games that you won, because you did all that.

Think of Appalachian State at Michigan in 2007:

better players, better coaching staff all at Michigan by a mile, they
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JohnnyAce
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posted: 2022-06-13 17:15:54 (ID: 100167644) Report Abuse
Buzi also beat me in conference championship a couple seasons ago- my rating was around 79, Buzi was around 66 if my memory is correct. In this case, I discovered after the match that my playbook sucked. I revamped my PB and such a situation has not occurred again since then. I'm not saying Raven's PB is bad as I haven't looked at it, just offering my own experiences in the game...

furthermore, there have been times when I struggled vs particular teams repeatedly. There have been several over the years but the most recent was Hopfenperlen, who went bot a couple seasons back. I had a better roster, I scouted them and perfectly matched my defense against their offensive PB (they used the same PB every game). They beat me in the PO under such circumstances. Another one was Dublin Dragons. My matches vs that team perplexed me so much I messaged Pete, asking him to investigate. Pete told me there was no cheating possible and that Dragons was "within the beatable 10," meaning the ratings of both teams was within 10 of each other, so anything is possible.
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ulero
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posted: 2022-06-14 14:16:11 (ID: 100167655)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
PJRAVENS wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. It was jut to know.

I have nothing to say about you strategy and good for you for your win.

I feel to be an Idiot and I wonder why I have spent six seasons building my coaching staff since season 41, spending more or less 48M per season to have less results than you without one.

I am pretty sure a different engine math is triggered on when two teams of the same division plays each other expecially in the playoff, no matter the players on the field the coaching staff, the overall % difference and so on...
Pretty questionable engine behaviour in my opinion, for what should be a simulation game pretty good like this one.

This pumps up managers when they are buiding / rebuilding their teams, but really kills the morale of who after devoting too much time for sure to this game and a lot of work has reached what it is supposed to be a competitive team and in reality it is not.

A time I had been in your shoes too

S32 Sat 12/29/2018 16:00 Divisional Playoff Baltimore Ravens 30-28 Constanta Sailors

I had a coaching staff tho but -10% of overall difference.... more or less like you, now.

I took the won vs marinarul I take the loss against you.

But this is the second time in a row an under construcion team in a barely competive phase spoils my season.
Last season was Buzi with a -12% of overall difference, again a team in the same division, but happened in regular season.

Very difficult find motivations to go on, with no clue of how fix this issue wasting real life spare time waiting for what, expecially in a league when the half of the teams are bots.

I feel for you, and completely agree on this.

Please allow one long post, I have feeling I'll open Pandora's box now.

First of all I think this is great game with excellent community. In case anyone needs to learn something, my feeling is that forum is good place to go. There were lots of managers willing to help, provide some assistance and advice, based on personal and other people experience.
Sea Devils, you guys kept it going with very positive vibe, I like to say, positive competitive spirit. Willing to perform as best as possible, but also to have fun, nice words for fellow competitors and to put advice where needed. I hibernated long time, but for everything I've seen here, hat down and glad to be part of it

Now, the game. I play(ed) couple of more similar manager games (let's say Hattrick Football Manager to be most similar to this) and everything you do in any case is to provide as best as you can to make the dice roll to your side. Because, generally speaking, all of this is one big dice roll. So, I understand frustration when some random games occur, where did you go wrong, while having 10%+ better team, but lose for some reason. Been there, done that, a lot of times.

Main reason why I have stopped playing (I assume most of people did too) were two things:
1) bad market - not possible to make money (earn) on well trained players
2) complex playbook. Let's be honest here, if you want to perform the best, and scout your opponent, and adjust your play, there goes your time
Let's say, I was not happy with or how my players have developed comparing to other managers, while at the same time couldn't sell them high enough to make some profit. Loss from salary in couple of weeks was way bigger than market value of player itself. Not to mention that I have never (unfortunately) payed enough time on scouting opponents and making proper playbook. I mean, proper yes, but good enough, I think no.

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