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posted: 2022-08-28 08:55:02 (ID: 100168814) Report Abuse
May I add one thing to the discussion (again)?

MOTY is no boost that applies and pushes you to the win. MOTY is a chance to receive this push. Means, even if you enable MOTY, a dice roll decides how much of the boost you get for that single game. MOTY is no guarantee, no sure thing.

MOTY is like Al Pacinos speech. If he finds the right words and the right tone, the Knighs might get beaten by the Sharks ...

I do not know how often this was written in the forum over the last 11 years ...
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posted: 2022-08-28 09:30:26 (ID: 100168815) Report Abuse
Rufio13 wrote:
I take a little nap after the first quarter and all hell breaks loose. Great win by the Petes, and his reward is an instant rematch while tired because Air Force nonsensically used match of the year (and actually got it to work) to promote self harm as he drops a few spots in draft order and gains nothing.

That disappointing decision, coupled with Dumba's previous frustration, has created a season (and possible future seasons) without our pachyderm friend. I hope he is just getting the understandable frustration out and waits a little bit before making that decision.


Rufio, I find your comments here both sad and hilarious at the same time.

I know I'm still fairly new to the game and my team made it to Elite before it was as good as the other teams here, but my goal was still the same this season...to win as many games as possible, even if that meant only two, like you predicted. I manage my team the same way as when I played football, and that is to win. I still had my match of the year game to use and to me, that meant the possibility of 7 wins in Elite instead of 6.

Thankfully, I never had a coach or a teammate that gave up on us, or had us quit, or not play as hard if we couldn't make the playoffs. Even as a now former athlete, and former member of the military, I find that kind of thinking shameful, pathetic and dishonorable.

It was not my responsibility to make sure our pachyderm friend stayed in Elite nor was it because of my decisions that he became the second manager this season after Guns & Roses to essentially pout and take their ball and go home after losing to my team. If Dumba had say...beaten Free Agent Mascots, or won one of his games against Pete, this last game wouldn't have mattered. I beat Pete once this year and last year and he didn't complain and quit.

I've read many of Dumba's posts and he did not seem happy to me, I don't know. There are many things that aren't realistic or don't make sense to me, but we all have to deal with the same things together. (You can change an O-lineman to a WR no problem, a short skinny DB can be as strong as or fast as a huge NT, a blitzing LB somehow is not allowed to make a tackle on a runner, a player on opposite side of the field can make a tackle, etc) We all deal with the same.

As Steve said, I "Aim high", like the Air Force, and try to win every time my team plays. I didn't "promote self harm", I promoted self-respect and if that means I drop a few draft spots, so be it. Now I've won 7 games in Elite and next time, I'll see if I can win 8. To me, the only thing non-sensical or decision that is disappointing is your rollover and die philosophy and expectation that others should do the same. Just glad you were never on one of my teams.

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posted: 2022-08-28 10:11:23 (ID: 100168816)  Edits found: 3 Report Abuse
Problem with probabilities is that for us humans they are a foreign notion.
Why? Because evolution "decided" that's way healthier.

Sure, we can learn its rules. We can apply them where we know the formulas. But as soon as the formulas are gone, or we don't bother to apply them - our intuition plays jokes on us.

Dumbarajko says he can accept a loss to a weaker team. Bullshit. You can not. And neither can I. Even Pete can't, though in his case his uneasiness can be qualmed by simply _knowing_(*) he can check the program and even run a test of the game his team lost. Sure, with some training we can find the way to think about it (eg what Pete says about it being a game). But the anxiety is always there.

Example. Pete organizes sweepstakes for all RZA active players. Lets assume there are 256 of us. The reward - one full year of supporter. Everyone is invited to watch the procedure. And the procedure is: once it's your turn, there will be 8 subsequent coin tosses. Heads = 1 point. Tails = 0 points. Whoever gets most points, is a winner.
How would you react, if in your turn it would be... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ?
Wouldn't there be a place for: "Yeah. After all I've written here, obviously Pete made sure I had bad luck." in your head? Don't answer here. Just think about it. And just so you know - in _my own_ head it would.

What's worse - there is no symmetry between bad luck and good luck.
Don't believe me. Login to _any_ manager where random numbers are involved and go to the forum section, find the "whining & co" (or whatever it's called there) thread. Count the entries with complaints.
Then go to the "boy was I lucky!" thread... Wait a moment... No such thread at all?

Another example (I love them!)
The same sweepstakes as before. This time Mr Dumbarajko has a little better luck. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1. Cool. Enough thinking about it. There are better things to do than thinking of those losers who had 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.
Time to enjoy the thought of a reward.
Wait... it's not the end of the example. You were one of the first to draw.
Turns out, 7 other players had the same luck. There will be OT... Damn! You get 0 0 0 and someone else will get the reward...
Oh yes. I should have known better. No way Pete would allow I win.

Should I go on?

Now, I hope you realize by now what I am getting at. I also hope, that you realize by now the numbers I used are not by chance only.
If the coin is tossed 8 times, it is statistically EXPECTED that _someone_ will have 8 zeroes. And that someone will have 8 times a "1". 1 out of 256. If it's only now that you multiply 2 in your head, I am positive you are surprised it's such a small number. It always surprises _me_ .

Now, just so you know. I'm no better. In another sport's manager I had a team everyone in the league was saying is a fix to win the national champ that season. Obviously I was the first to rush with comments "well, I wish you were right, but remember this is a chance game, not chess". Then the first loss against a weaker team. Followed by elimination from national cup to only slightly weaker team, but by a score of 47:113 (guess why I still remember that score EXACTLY ). Another loss... and I was ready to start selling off my losers, one by one, starting from the ones with the highest atts total ...
My friend saved me. Sent me the pm, told me to shut up and not do anything stupid while I am fuming. Obviously you know what's the end of that story? I went on to win the champ. That season and in 2 seasons after that.

Now it's your turn to decide how you deal with it.

ps. Oh, by the way. I started with evolution and us being saved by it. Have you heard about Boltzmann? I think chances are, none of us got the intellect to match His. His greatest achievements were in the area of probabilities. Ask uncle google (or preferably - some other browser ), how His life ended. And why.

(*) Yes, knowing is often enough, I believe. I can't count how many times I couldn't recall a certain word but I knew where I can find it. Couldn't stop thinking about it all day. When finally home, I rushed to the encyclopedia. The word returned to my head moments _BEFORE_ I found the page where I knew I'd find it.

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posted: 2022-08-28 10:29:33 (ID: 100168818) Report Abuse
Hmm.. I followed my own advice, about Boltzmann. Wiki says now, it was because of some undiagnosed brain illness. But a few years ago, in a book, not on the web, it was hinted the reason was different. He was too troubled by the consequences of what he proved.
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posted: 2022-08-28 10:34:14 (ID: 100168820) Report Abuse
Major Havoc wrote:
It was not my responsibility to make sure our pachyderm friend stayed in Elite nor was it because of my decisions that he became the second manager this season after Guns & Roses to essentially pout and take their ball and go home after losing to my team.


You said that you have read my previous posts.

If you had really done it then you must have read that loss in my last game was just cherry on top of the cake.

Cake has been made a long time ago.

So loss from your team has like 3-4% in my decision to be some time without competetive team in RZA.
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posted: 2022-08-28 10:37:19 (ID: 100168821) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
May I add one thing to the discussion (again)?

MOTY is no boost that applies and pushes you to the win. MOTY is a chance to receive this push. Means, even if you enable MOTY, a dice roll decides how much of the boost you get for that single game. MOTY is no guarantee, no sure thing.

MOTY is like Al Pacinos speech. If he finds the right words and the right tone, the Knighs might get beaten by the Sharks ...

I do not know how often this was written in the forum over the last 11 years ...


But they still use a lot of PC even if you don't get that boost.

I didn't know about this chance that MOTY is not MOTY.

So it seems almost everything is dice rolling in this game.

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posted: 2022-08-28 10:41:39 (ID: 100168822) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:

4 yards per carry in 28 carries against No rush defense with OLs that can't do positioning, with FB that has 43 STR, 45 SPE, 22.6 POS, 19.4 VIS and RB that has 38 STR, 45.6 SPE, 16 POS, 12.3 VIS but both have carry and agility it is just to much.

At the same time my FB (Zwaanstra) and second RB (Wheat) (you have both of them on TL so you can see them) have combined 11 yards in 15 carries. With an OL line that has pos, foot, blo, vis and agi over 40 in each skill, with 49-50 strength.
And just for the record two of them had 15 yards rushing in 2 carries which leave us that in 13 carries they had, watch this, -4 yards!!!!!


And really like that no one commented on this, expecially about first paragraph.

But I can understand, just like all you guys I found always positive stuff in everything that happened here no matter if they don't make sense.

Hey it is just a game, it suppose not to make sense. Like Super Mario beating all those enemies 😀
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posted: 2022-08-28 11:24:01 (ID: 100168823) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:

4 yards per carry in 28 carries against No rush defense with OLs that can't do positioning, with FB that has 43 STR, 45 SPE, 22.6 POS, 19.4 VIS and RB that has 38 STR, 45.6 SPE, 16 POS, 12.3 VIS but both have carry and agility it is just to much.

At the same time my FB (Zwaanstra) and second RB (Wheat) (you have both of them on TL so you can see them) have combined 11 yards in 15 carries. With an OL line that has pos, foot, blo, vis and agi over 40 in each skill, with 49-50 strength.
And just for the record two of them had 15 yards rushing in 2 carries which leave us that in 13 carries they had, watch this, -4 yards!!!!!


And really like that no one commented on this, expecially about first paragraph.
(...)


I think we did. Not the way you were expecting, that's for sure.
I'm afraid you are not looking for comments, but for confirmation. Different things.
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posted: 2022-08-28 11:34:41 (ID: 100168824) Report Abuse
jpnwrt wrote:

I think we did. Not the way you were expecting, that's for sure.
I'm afraid you are not looking for comments, but for confirmation. Different things.


Just quote one comment about poor RB and ever more poor FB with poor Offensive line running like Flash against No 1 run defense and I will rest my case about that one.

I haven't found one. Not in my way not in any other way.

And there is no my way, just the RZA way.
And no confirmation, just logical explanation.

And please find one of my earlier posts, that RB dude is running like that all season long.

Not sure for FB and I really can't do another stats right now.
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posted: 2022-08-28 11:54:30 (ID: 100168825)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
jpnwrt wrote:

I think we did. Not the way you were expecting, that's for sure.
I'm afraid you are not looking for comments, but for confirmation. Different things.


Just quote one comment about poor RB and ever more poor FB with poor Offensive line running like Flash against No 1 run defense and I will rest my case about that one.

I haven't found one. Not in my way not in any other way.

And there is no my way, just the RZA way.
And no confirmation, just logical explanation.

And please find one of my earlier posts, that RB dude is running like that all season long.

Not sure for FB and I really can't do another stats right now.


Just look one post above. I even quoted you.
Sure, I didn't refer to the list of numbers you presented. Why should I? I can point you to ten posts in this thread, where you'd find the answer why I don't. Including my own looong post today.
See, my guess is what you'd like the game to be, would be that random numbers should be just the decoration. In other words, you'd like the engine to correct it, if this or that end effect were somewhat less probable.
To better illustrate my point - if the game was soccer and your player was Cristiano Ronaldo, and CR missed a penalty kick, the engine would take it back and kept drawing that random number until the outcome was as it's supposed to be.
Sure, it's possible to have designated this way. Just it's not how THIS game is designated, and Pete has stressed many many times everywhere it is not. He clearly stated how IT IS designated.

You want a different game? Your right. But why do you expect all of us to put pressure on Pete to change it, if we prefer the realism, according to which the ref on the field will not push that poor Ronaldo to keep shooting from 11m, until finally he's got lucky

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