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| posted: 2022-08-21 20:21:02 (ID: 100168599) Report Abuse | |
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So POS and VIS which doesn't exists in team one and are above 40 in team two give just like 10% more success blocks for team two. Primary skill? Not for me. Secondary skill? Not for me. E skill? Ok, I can take that. (...) So yes primary skills for OL are BLOCK and FOOT, but POS is not for sure. " In many situations 10% would be a major difference. Eg. 1 second in 100m dash, irl. Moreover, Pete says (somewhere in the manual) that 0 kicking skill doesn't mean the guy will not be able to kick at all. So I think it only makes sense to talk about the relative importance of skills if there are at least 2 (but in most situations at least 3, actually) numbers to compare. Have you done a similar analysis of, say, footwork? Or block? If in these cases the effect will be 20%, 30%, then it would be hard to argue that 10% falls in the same category. |
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| posted: 2022-08-21 20:42:13 (ID: 100168600) Report Abuse | |
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jpnwrt wrote:
In many situations 10% would be a major difference. Eg. 1 second in 100m dash, irl. Moreover, Pete says (somewhere in the manual) that 0 kicking skill doesn't mean the guy will not be able to kick at all. So I think it only makes sense to talk about the relative importance of skills if there are at least 2 (but in most situations at least 3, actually) numbers to compare. Have you done a similar analysis of, say, footwork? Or block? If in these cases the effect will be 20%, 30%, then it would be hard to argue that 10% falls in the same category. Kicker with 0 kicking would miss a lot even from close range, so the difference would be significant vs kicker with 35 kicking (assume both got 50 str and 35 vision, I am almost sure in that, because kicking is primary skill for kicker). I did comparison that I can get, there is no way that I can search for players with no footwork or no blocking at OL position. Once again I don't say that POS doesn't make difference, but for sure doesn't make difference as A skill. On 100m dash even 1% makes difference  |
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| posted: 2022-08-21 22:12:24 (ID: 100168604) Report Abuse | |
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See, when I was implementing skills in certain situations like a tackle, or a rush play, I ran the simulation 10k times to get a good average. A single play in RZA consists of like
1 snap 1 passblock 1 pass 1 receive / interception attempt 1 rush to the endzone and of course the different action in between, like tackle attempts, or sack tries and so on. This means, on a single pass play I had around 50k-100k sim runs- Do you really believe you can take measures from the stats of regular games to determine the weight of skills, except the single decision "is important / is not important"? I don't buy that, honestly. And, if two teams are kind of equal in terms of skills, it does not mean the teams act equal. Coaches, playbooks, exhaustion, moral, and a good portion of dayform aka luck is involved as well. See my todays friendly cup game. The outcome was more crazy than yesterdays league game, Now this cup is set to power mode. This means teams act equal in terms of major skills. Still, we see those differences between expectation and outcome. I said / wrote that many many times during the last 13 years. American Football is not predicatable this way. If so, -G.O.A.T- would have 20 rings or so  |
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| posted: 2022-08-21 23:11:06 (ID: 100168606) Report Abuse | |
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I think one game is too small a sample size to draw such conclusions.
Pete's team is decent, but also has been lucky so far this season. He's got 10 wins, but only a +85 PD. Dumbarajko and the Blitz have only 9 wins, but +169 and +175 PD. The performance variance for any one game is large (but I don't think excessive) and can easily account for several wins/losses per season. One challenge is that the game text isn't sufficiently descriptive to hint or indicate why things are happening. If a player makes an catch, was it because he was faster than defender and outran him, it was a jump ball and he out-muscled the defender, was the receiver a superb route runner, maybe he saw the ball and the defender didn't etc. Steve SD Blitz |
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| posted: 2022-08-22 04:07:10 (ID: 100168610) Report Abuse | |
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Once again, I am not talking about one game.
I am talking about 14 games and 1.000 snaps. |
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| posted: 2022-08-22 06:48:17 (ID: 100168612) Report Abuse | |
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Dumbarajko wrote:
Once again, I am not talking about one game. I am talking about 14 games and 1.000 snaps. I think everyone got that. What the others are talking about is, that comparing 2 teams even with a similar setup of games and almost similar results in the stats do not lead to any conclusion regarding skill configuration. But nobody denys you to train your players you thik is best. I do train mine as such and obviously that's NOT enough to win it all. But I KNOW i lack i game preperation and likely also in playbook design. Never had the time or better never wanted to invest the time. My player setup might be the reason I still got some good results over the season. Or it was just luck. Overall I don't know. |
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| posted: 2022-08-22 08:49:55 (ID: 100168613) Report Abuse | |
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Ok everyone, I will rest my case and my thread.
My conclusion is that you can have OL linemen without positioning and they will still play very good. Just like DL without vision, RB without positioning, FB & TE without positioning and vision, and all of them will still get stats as good as one with those skills. If those are A skills for those positions then difference should be significant. I can say that they are not A skills and they are not really needed for all those positions to have a great player. And as I said, I liked complexity of this game that makes you make long term plans for some positions as they train much slower then the others plus you need 5 or 6 players in those positions. With this 2 skills per position + agility + strength or speed = Elite player complexity is gone and I don't like that. I will not write about this subject any more since stats from one almost full season and 1.000 snaps are not good enough. |
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| posted: 2022-08-22 09:35:05 (ID: 100168615) Report Abuse | |
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Just for the protocol, to not confuse other managers who read this
Dumbarajko wrote:
My conclusion is that you can have OL linemen without positioning and they will still play very good. Absolutely true. But they won't play superior, and they won't deliver results as consistent as possible - especially if team strengths are comparable. Same is valid for all the other examples in this thread |
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posted: 2022-08-22 16:53:19 (ID: 100168621) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Just for the protocol, to not confuse other managers who read this Dumbarajko wrote:
My conclusion is that you can have OL linemen without positioning and they will still play very good. Absolutely true. But they won't play superior, and they won't deliver results as consistent as possible - especially if team strengths are comparable. Same is valid for all the other examples in this thread Now I am confused... |
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| posted: 2022-08-22 17:05:38 (ID: 100168622) Report Abuse | |
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PJRAVENS wrote:
Now I am confused... What exactly confuey you? I will try to clarify |
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