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Poll: Close League level 2 for registration?,
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| posted: 2022-12-02 15:20:07 (ID: 100170693) Report Abuse | |||||||
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Chrill wrote:
@Radu91: Yes, but I have an opposing example of a manager who joined at circa the same time like me, won the championship in the 2nd league level. He was then active for maybe 2-4 games on 1st level and with realizing that it's quite a jump in toughness to win left the game. So there are these, too. But I'm with you: Either you like the game and keep playing even if you lose the first games (which makes the first win all the more sweet, at least it was like that for me  ), or you don't and leave.
I could see that newbies are overwhelmed, though (like I was), and maybe it is not that bad to have a chance of getting a feel for the game without constantly getting bashed... Yes. I know what you are saying, but that manager (who won the league, probably played some games in the Supercup perhaps, so he knew how it was playing against other managers or even friendly games) and for new managers who stick around a few weeks is great playing boots and winning by 100+ points, and probably that's the reason they stay (basic playbook and no knowledge works perfect against boot teams), and after they play a game with another manager and get smashed they quit because it's hard to lose, when you don't know what you're doing. But like i said, in SD 2, i had only 3 managers out of 30, who stuck around 2-3 weeks, and the rest became boot in 7 days (beside of those who are still active in SD2, of course). So if i have to put in percentage, probably 20-25% of managers stay a couple of weeks and perhaps 15% stay longer. |
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posted: 2022-12-02 19:10:09 (ID: 100170702) Report Abuse | ||||||
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Is there any way we could close D2 until such a time as D1 is filled, in which case only one D2 division is opened (e.g. Dragons 2)? That way we can keep D1 filled, and also provide room to grow without shunting new players into desolate, unpopulated wastelands?
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| posted: 2022-12-02 19:39:53 (ID: 100170703) Report Abuse | |||||||
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no. all or nothing.
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| posted: 2022-12-03 00:44:39 (ID: 100170704) Report Abuse | |||||||
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Just doesn't sound like a good idea to have the game be possibly full, and not available to new players. So my gut feeling is to vote no, but I will go with Pete's preference.
I may of just had a brain fart, but: Any thought given to, leaving Elite at 32 teams, but change Divisions 1, 2, 3, ... to 16 teams? That would eliminate (1) playoff game, that could maybe be replaced with a play-in game. |
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| posted: 2022-12-03 02:45:34 (ID: 100170705) Report Abuse | |||||||
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Right now we have, per region (including Elite teams):
Admirals: 33 teams Claymore: 32 teams Dragons: 36 teams Fire: 28 teams Galaxy: 36 teams Monarchs: 27 teams Sea Devils: 30 teams Thunder: 36 teams Closing D2 we would have 30 opens spots (3 on Admirals, 4 on Claymore, 8 on Fire, 9 on Monarchs and 6 on Sea Devils). During the season I have not observed any region with more than 36 teams. I do not think that closing D2 will really restrict the possibility of new teams as we never reached 288 active teams on RZA ([8 regions+Elite]x32 teams). |
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| posted: 2022-12-03 08:38:02 (ID: 100170706) Report Abuse | |||||||
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Radu91 wrote:
Yes. I know what you are saying, but that manager (who won the league, probably played some games in the Supercup perhaps, so he knew how it was playing against other managers or even friendly games) and for new managers who stick around a few weeks is great playing boots and winning by 100+ points. Probably that's the reason they stay (basic playbook and no knowledge works perfectly against bot teams), and after they play a game with another manager and get smashed they quit because it's hard to lose when you don't know what you're doing. But like I said, in SD 2, I had only 3 managers out of 30, who stuck around 2-3 weeks, and the rest became bot in 7 days (besides those who are still active in SD2, of course). So if I have to put in percentage, probably 20-25% of managers stay a couple of weeks and perhaps 15% stay longer. I don't know what I am doing! I can beat the bots and quite a few other teams but the top half dozen always beat me to a pulp. Very frustrating knowing you will never win a Conference Championship or get into a Bowl game. Goodness knows what a D2 thinks when they win the D2 bowl and spend the next season getting smashed ( I did it, but it is so long ago I can't remember) (I am old) |
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| posted: 2022-12-03 18:44:53 (ID: 100170710) Report Abuse | |||||||
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Not wanting to push Peter here, I know that time is an issue, but from game fun point of view a new team needs some positive results and the sandbox approach would make that more likely.
Of course the change would be a lot of work. |
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| posted: 2022-12-03 20:00:18 (ID: 100170711) Report Abuse | |||||||
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Maybe already suggested, but what about showing the "strength" (ELO average translated in "lower" or "stronger" competition of each region so the new blood knows where the put their feet in when spots are open in several of them? It may help a little.
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| posted: 2022-12-03 20:27:27 (ID: 100170712) Report Abuse | |||||||
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I am sorry guys, but this is not the time for addons.
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posted: 2022-12-03 20:34:02 (ID: 100170713) Report Abuse | ||||||
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My view is that we make things too hard for new managers. We take away the players and coaches that existed in their (new) team and leave them with players in wrong positions, wrong ages, wrong stats, an incorrect number of players at each position, no coaches etc
Doubtless some will now jump in and say "Well we had to do it and we did it etc". To me this is like very old people saying "Well in our days we didn't have TV, computers, mobile phones etc so why should the youth of today have them? Why don't they suffer the food deprivations that we had? Why do we vaccinate them against diseases? We didn't have vaccines. If we caught some disease we would die so we just hoped that we didn't" I just feel it is time to move on. Let people take over the team as it has been left. They will still have a lot to learn about playbooks, finances, team management etc I just feel that pushing new people in with the division 1 teams and then them getting beaten to a pulp every game is not going to help retain people. I am all for closing Div 1 but let's also close the gap so that we don't have a bunch of those who have and those who have not. |
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