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| posted: 2022-12-11 00:32:16 (ID: 100170821) Report Abuse | |
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Is that QB worth 100 milion, WR worth 50 milion, FB... Not have a clue...
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| posted: 2022-12-11 00:34:16 (ID: 100170822) Report Abuse | |
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Or you can save like that and loosing 2 % on each of 22 positions. Then you save a billion but you are 44% down?
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posted: 2022-12-11 01:04:25 (ID: 100170823) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Mustang wrote:
I'm pretty fresh here but this sound interesting. If you pass and rush outside mainly then 3 OL don't need to be the man, but anyhow you don' t win over team which have man on those positions and use inside spaces... I guess that you miss some superman for the money spend for 3 OL, which will prove that theory. On whatever position... ... Otherwise you will save 100 milion because that gives you 2% advantage and spend them to x position which will give you extra x advantage? ... Is that QB worth 100 milion, WR worth 50 milion, FB... Not have a clue... ... Or you can save like that and loosing 2 % on each of 22 positions. Then you save a billion but you are 44% down? ummm, first, the edit button is your friend, just make this one post if nobody has responded. Secondly, you should rush outside a lot more or exclusively even if you have good interior OL. But, the theory is you can focus your money and time spent searching for guys away from those 3 interior OL and not miss much, if anything. If you can have the best of everything at every position, then yes that's better. But, you don't need to spend as much time and money maximizing these 3 interior OL with proper playbook design changes. My team has (I'm not looking just estimating) 9 OL with 50 STR, 7 of those are skills 40+, 4 of those have traits. I'm going to put my two/three best skills (including AGI) with trait guys at my OT positions. I'm then going to put my highest TW and INT guys at OG and OC, possibly even if those high TW and INT are less skilled or lacking traits. With my team, that's still a 42.5 skilled guy or something, he's just missing a trait, has garbage AGI cap, or not trained to 46.9 on all relevant skills. When searching the transfer market and draft I'm going to look for guys that can play OT that have high skill cap (i.e. talent), 50 STR, and traits, but I'm going to also search for OG/OC candidates that don't have traits and lower talent. Youth pulls are going to be great OG/OC candidates for me because I can see the TW, INT range, and "really strong" candidates. For a fresh team, I'd stick my best actual OLs at OT, and then plop high TW and INT guys at OG/OC and develop experience. Last edited on 2022-12-11 01:07:37 by pderekdactyl |
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| posted: 2022-12-11 03:17:27 (ID: 100170824) Report Abuse | |
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Thanks for clearance... I understand logic in general, it is possible to save money and time
without loosing too much. But I guess that is the same with each position. Let say that QB with Int 50, speed and strength 50 can be at 35 level passing and be good? It is hard to find that, but if you find him than he can play good until training other skills... Probably DL and LB the same? |
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posted: 2022-12-11 03:37:54 (ID: 100170825) Report Abuse |
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Mustang wrote:
Thanks for clearance... I understand logic in general, it is possible to save money and time without loosing too much. But I guess that is the same with each position. Let say that QB with Int 50, speed and strength 50 can be at 35 level passing and be good? It is hard to find that, but if you find him than he can play good until training other skills... Probably DL and LB the same? If you have great physicals and traits, you can outperform bad physical teams. But, don't get lost in the sauce. The odds of contending in Elite playoffs or making a deep SC run with a 35 skill qb are incredibly low. Let alone one with vis and passing both under 25 like my OC was. So, no, it's not the same. |
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| posted: 2022-12-11 11:46:01 (ID: 100170826) Report Abuse | |
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Can be...
Then that is more like choosing some formations instead play with all. You can survive with 2 good WR instead 4. 1RB instead 2.. 2. If you rush only outside, can I defend with only 4DL with same success as with 5 DL? |
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posted: 2022-12-11 14:22:48 (ID: 100170837) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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Mustang wrote:
Can be... Then that is more like choosing some formations instead play with all. You can survive with 2 good WR instead 4. 1RB instead 2.. You should absolutely tailor your playbook to your depth chart. If you have FB coach and better FB than RB, you should run a more out of formations that use FB than RB, or vice versa. Especially at the end of a game with the lead when you are just trying to run out the clock and not fumble. Ditto for passing. But, you're going to want more than 2 WRs, if nothing else because you'll want one in case of injury. But also because SG4WR and SG2WR see the least sacks, and not getting sacked is super important. Mustang wrote:
2. If you rush only outside, can I defend with only 4DL with same success as with 5 DL? I have two full seasons of Elite data from earlier seasons. Here's the average gain in those seasons on only rushes to the right and left ends. S40: ........Defense ToGo...335...344...443.....533 1.........5.5.....6.0....3.5.....2.4 2-3......5.6....5.3.....3.8.....2.7 4-6......5.6....5.9.....4.0.....1.9 7-10....5.6....5.4.....3.8.....1.9 11-20..5.5....4.9.....2.6.....2.1 S38: ........Defense ToGo...335...344...443.....533 1........5.7.....5.4...3.3.....2.0 2-3....6.0......5.9....3.6....1.8 4-6....5.7......5.9.....3.5....2.4 7-10...5.6.....5.7.....3.1....1.9 11-20..5.0.....5.0....2.0....1.1 There's going to be some bias in that because of what teams are running what defenses and when and how good those players are, etc. Sample size wise, use common sense. There's 750 to 2900 plays in the 7-10 buckets. not a lot in 533 with 11-20 to go (35), etc. Last edited on 2022-12-11 14:26:24 by pderekdactyl |
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posted: 2022-12-11 14:41:54 (ID: 100170839) Report Abuse |
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pderekdactyl wrote:
I think my next scrimmage batch might be on this to see how often the QB throws screen vs anything besides screen, and also possibly sack rates. One playbook will be all "both flanks" and I'll make a matching playbook that is "all directions". I ran two scrimmages. For obvious reasons I wanted a pass heavy playbook, but I also didn't want the lopsided tactic penalty to hit. So, I ran only two to see how many runs/passes were used and if I got a thumbs down coach karma. Away (all directions) 69 passes, 11 rushes, and 47 passes 6 rushes Home (both flanks) 48 passes 4 rushes, and 70 passes 13 rushes I think I'll avoid the lopsided penalty, or at least not get hammered all game by it. "Screens" Away: 5+8......=13/(69+47) = 11.2% Home: 16+16..=32/(48+70) = 27.1% I'm not sure what I expected it to be, but I guess that sounds reasonable. Sacks were 22 on all directions vs 15 on only flanks, but that rate has a lot more variation so I'm not putting too much into that in two games. Now, that's only two games. I'll run a bunch more scrimmages today/tomorrow and get more details by to go range and maybe by formation as well later. |
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| posted: 2022-12-11 15:31:56 (ID: 100170841) Report Abuse | |
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So still is better to use 533 than 443 defense. And average gain is 2 against 553. Which can be achieved with 3 young OL.
What will be average gain with 5 elite OL and all directions? If it is higher, then can be that same difference as if you have 2 young RB comparing to 2 elite RB? |
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posted: 2022-12-11 19:49:57 (ID: 100170854) Report Abuse |
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Mustang wrote:
If it is higher, then can be that same difference as if you have 2 young RB comparing to 2 elite RB? Better RB have more broken tackles and less fumbles. I'm not going to do this comparison. Fresh team: read jack's guide, read Shadow's how to build a franchise thread. ..... .... .... I don't care about young vs elite here with these scrimmages. I care about what will get me competing for elite titles. The point of the vastly inferior interior OL experiment was to determine what actually mattered, not how to play young guys. Getting away with playing young guys in a pinch or to develop experience during the regular season without costing me too much is a possible byproduct, but the point was "what would I start there to win an Elite Bowl". I personally concluded that I would start high TW and INT guys there. Those guys are still going to be 50 STR and 42.5-45.5 skills when I play my real games. I'm not going to play my 16 footwork 21 yo guy against Rufio in the playoffs. What I am going to do is have my high skill and traits at OT. That part is not new, I already play my tippy top best trained skill+trait blockers at OT with mild indifference to their TW and INT. What changes for me is that now my low TW and INT (relatively) guys have a new bar to clear; they have to be good enough to be my best blockers and be able to be my OTs in the future because I am going to prioritize high TW and INT for OG/OC more than traits and talent levels. My 50 STR 35 TW 41 INT 46 skill OL will not be as valuable to me as my 50 STR 49 TW 47.5 INT 43.9 skill guy. Both of those guys are still absolutely elite guys, but my pecking order changed. They are all still going to be good, all 5-8 OL that I play are still going to be Elite caliber OL when the games actually matter. I'm trying to min/max roster construction. I am still going to go out of my way to get a few 50 STR with trait guys and 3.5-5* TAL for my OTs, but I'm also going to prioritize other things (in my judgement that's TW and INT) for my interior OL as much as traits and trained skill levels but those interior OL are still going to have minimum str and skills when I play them when it matters. |
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