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posted: 2023-02-16 07:13:11 (ID: 100172226) Report Abuse
This is from a discussion from Noobs Question Thread from Rookie Area.
It is over the scoring attempts prior the halftime from this game:
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Yes. But why does it say 42?
COR 2 COR-42 0:19 Turnover
It should be opp 46, no?


It doesn't say 42. It says 42 before the completion, not after. This isn't the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy where it's always 42.

0:44 1 and 10 to go on own 42, Vernon Reece (OC) snaps the ball to Buster Hansen (QB), Buster Hansen (QB) selected Yindee Prachuab (TE/R) as target, the receiver of this inner right pass catches the ball, tackled by Philip Engel (CB/L), forward progress: 12 yards, New first down (Singleback Big vs. 3-4-4) more
0:25 Vernon Deal (K) kicks the ball for the field goal, 63 yard field goal missed


Yes, you are right, the "drive ended chart" is good only for the first FG missed, but for the rest?
If Vancouver missed FG on opp 46, the opponent should have taken over on Vancouver's 47, not his own 42.
Something is strange in this final drives or am i missing something.


It's correct. A 63 yard miss by Vancouver puts the ball on the on the 47 which allows for a 64 yard fg. A second miss allows another 63 yard attempt and so on until time expires. A kick from the 42 would be a 59 yard fg attempt.

Please, it looks odd.
There are stats which are mixed here.
This here is from gamecenter, Q2, last few lines and they do look OK.
0:44 1 and 10 to go on own 42... 12 yards, New first down
0:25 (K) 63 yard field goal missed
0:19 (K) 64 yard field goal missed
0:13 (K) 63 yard field goal missed
0:07 (K) 64 yard field goal missed
0:01 (K) 63 yard field goal missed

But this one is from game stats - drive chart in the middle of the table.
NBB 2 NBB-20 1:21 Kickoff COR-46 0:25 Field goal miss 4-34 0:56
COR 2 COR-42 0:19 Turnover COR-42 0:19 Field goal miss 1-0 0:00
NBB 2 NBB-42 0:13 Turnover NBB-42 0:13 Field goal miss 1-0 0:00
COR 2 COR-42 0:07 Turnover COR-42 0:07 Field goal miss 1-0 0:00
NBB 2 NBB-42 0:00 Turnover NBB-42 0:00 Field goal miss 1-0 0:00

This looks odd, because 1st line is fine, but the next one is not OK.
You did explain it right from my point of view, the miss does put the ball on the NBB-47, not COR-42. If it would start on COR-42 it would be a VERY long FG.
And all following lines have the same yard-number, which is also wrong, since it should jumps from try to try by a yard.
From my point of view this is a bug, likely only documentation.


It seems the game itself does everything right, but does summerize the drive in a wrong way.
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posted: 2023-02-16 08:50:17 (ID: 100172230)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
This is exactly the reason why I was thinking about removing the drive chart. I was digging in there a few times, and did not find a solution to show drives without one regular (non special teams) play. And to be honest, I consider this "A misses a lucky shot / B misses a lucky shot / A misses ... " not truly a bug, much more kind of an exploit. I guess, if I would screw down the chances of such follow up field goal attempts, people might stop doing this?

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posted: 2023-02-16 09:39:23 (ID: 100172231) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
This is exactly the reason why I was thinking about removing the drive chart. I was digging in there a few times, and did not find a solution to show drives without one regular (non special teams) play. And to be honest, I consider this "A misses a lucky shot / B misses a lucky shot / A misses ... " not truly a bug, much more kind of an exploit. I guess, if I would screw down the chances of such follow up field goal attempts, people might stop doing this?


Understood. Then leave it as it is. Don't remove the drive chart.
If someone asks in the future, we know what to tell them.
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posted: 2023-02-16 10:06:40 (ID: 100172232) Report Abuse
It is as it is.

I don't see this as an exploit.
If there is a lucky shot possible, it's up to the user to define the rule for that kick.
And if the other team has a similar rule, it switches back and forth.

Maybe you should add the option / possibility of a return.

What I don't get is why the starting point of the drive after the kick is not documented. Your explaination sounds like it's only documented on a regular play, which I don't get.

So far you don't have a bad snap in the mix, might also a good way to make those lucky shots a less attractive solution.
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posted: 2023-02-16 13:47:21 (ID: 100172234) Report Abuse
It is about the order when which feature was added. The drive chart was added way later than the engine was written for the sim of games. The drive chart has no hard coded achors to rely on, much more it parses the play by play and tries to make sense out of it. This failes, if there is no real drive before the kick attempt.
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