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posted: 2011-10-27 19:47:55 (ID: 14624) |
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Hey, we have a good portion of Football cracks here - it seems.
Anyone has statistics on the following situations? 1.) How possible it is to tackle the rusher due LB / SS is blitzing, on the rushers side of the LOS? 2.) How many Blitzes are needed on pass plays to sack the QB? 3.) How many Blitzes are common for NFL Teams per game, split by blitzinh position? |
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posted: 2011-10-28 00:15:14 (ID: 14645) Report Abuse |
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Admin wrote:
Hey, we have a good portion of Football cracks here - it seems. Anyone has statistics on the following situations? 1.) How possible it is to tackle the rusher due LB / SS is blitzing, on the rushers side of the LOS? 2.) How many Blitzes are needed on pass plays to sack the QB? 3.) How many Blitzes are common for NFL Teams per game, split by blitzinh position? Here is my non-stats answers - I'm sure others will help out! 1) Quite possible. Some teams blitz specifically against the rush as well as against the pass. Probably blitz increases % on tackling runner for a loss, but at the expense of potentially giving up bigger gains when the blitz fails. So perhaps the chance for a tackle for loss increases from ~5-10% to 20-25%, but the chance of a long gain also goes from 5-10% to 25-30%? 2) There is no set number that will be sure to sack a QB. That is the best outcome for the blitzers, but the general purpose is to disrupt the QB's rhythm by forcing him to throw early or before he can find a receiver or before the receiver finishes his pattern. 3) It really varies a lot by team. Some teams are built with a couple of great pass rushers, and don't need to blitz. Other teams don't have skilled pass rushers, so they need to blitz. As to who blitzes, that would depend on personnel. Speed is important, so blitzing a fast defensive back might work much better than a slow LB. The blitz is a high risk/high reward tactic. The blitz increases the odds that something bad will happen to either team. Most blitzes will result in an incomplete pass, a sack, a sack and a fumble, an interception, a quick completion, or a wide open receiver and a big completion. There are plays designed to counter the blitz, such as screen passes and draw plays. When defenses blitz vs one of those plays more bad things can happen for the defense. Most analysts would say that it is easier and more effective to blitz an inexperienced QB or a not-too-smart QB  , and much harder to effectively blitz a smart veteran QB. ::hint:: |
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posted: 2011-11-03 09:31:50 (ID: 15221) Report Abuse |
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I hame many rows with blitz in my playbook.
May be this game give you some information. I think we needs word "blitz" in game report. |
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posted: 2011-11-03 09:50:22 (ID: 15224) |
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This is a FR Cup game, so it does not count for this discussion. The engine uses the old blitz style here.
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| posted: 2011-11-03 21:50:32 (ID: 15338) Report Abuse | |
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1.) How possible it is to tackle the rusher due LB / SS is blitzing, on the rushers side of the LOS?
2.) How many Blitzes are needed on pass plays to sack the QB? 3.) How many Blitzes are common for NFL Teams per game, split by blitzinh position? 1. Not sure about this. I would tend to code this as a secondary issue. There is a fair chance that an additional blitzing player could get a tackle behind the LOS. However, blitzing is mostly a pass rushing move (especially in the pass happy NFL), so its probably more like that a blitzer might be picked up on a running play if he's near the point of attack or if he's not near the point of attack, then he's probably out of the play (compared to if he'd just stayed home). 2. Here is the 2011 NFL defense statistics: 2011 Team Defense Statistics And here is the number of unblocked sacks for 2011 so far: 2011 unblocked sacks Now, I'm not sure if unblocked sacks counts blitzs picked up by RBs or DL who get a sack, with the added pressure from blitzers. In general, it looks like teams have 9 - 26 sacks through 7-8 games (roughly half a season). It looks like teams have 0-8 unblocked sacks. So that means teams are getting roughly 0%-33% of their sacks from blitzing players. Maybe a little higher if you look at the New Orleans Saints with 8 unblocked sacks / 19 total sacks = 42%. Also, on the team defensive statistics to get an idea of how often a sack occurs. Take some middle value of total tackles - - maybe 350. Figure 1/3 of those tackles are running plays. So that's 235 passing plays. Middle value in sacks is like 17.5 total. So that's maybe an average of 7 1/2% (+/- 4% for better or worse pass rushing defenses) of pass plays end in sacks?? 3. I'm guessing that most of the blitz sacks are LBs, but usually they're the guys who blitz most too. I couldn't find any specific number on that. Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2011-11-03 23:24:28 (ID: 15350) |
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Nice one, thank you. I assume I have "workload" for some more days, on the blitzing...
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posted: 2011-11-07 09:25:09 (ID: 15630) Report Abuse |
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I have 4 times of the blitz in the geme. It isn't enough.
1. 8:57 3 and 1 to go on opp 34, Drago Schneider (OC) snaps the ball to Muharrem Hartmann (QB), Horst-Peter Kraus (HB/L) gets the ball, this seems to be a run over the left end, Semen Bogoslovskyi (MLB) goes for the !!!BLITZ!!!, Horst-Peter Kraus (HB/L) tackled by Jewel Redmon (DE/L), forward progress: no gain (Wishbone vs. 5-2) So. MLB when HB/L run over the left end. Blitz is not successful! But HB tackled by DE. All OK. 2. 7:12 2 and 1 to go on opp 40, Drago Schneider (OC) snaps the ball to Muharrem Hartmann (QB), Muharrem Hartmann (QB) selected Elias Beck (WR/R) as target, Michal Janicki (MLB) goes for the !!!BLITZ!!!, Hans-Henning Wagner (FB/R) blocks, the receiver of this outer screen right pass catches the ball, Elias Beck (WR/R) tackled by Heinz Meyer (CB/L), forward progress: 9 yards, New first down (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 4-4-3) So. MLB when pass. But MLB blocked by FB. Blitz is not successful! But pass is catched. All OK. 3. Drago Schneider (OC) snaps the ball to Muharrem Hartmann (QB), Muharrem Hartmann (QB) selected Diethard Schmidt (WR/R) as target, Josef Wick (SS/C) goes for the !!!BLITZ!!!, this medium outer right pass is incomplete, overthrown, no progress (Pro set vs. 3-3-5) So. SS when pass. SS not blocked, QB under the pressure. Blitz is successful! But pass is incoplete. All OK. 4. 2:50 4 and 1 to go on own 41, Drago Schneider (OC) snaps the ball to Muharrem Hartmann (QB), who hands off to Horst-Peter Kraus (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the center, Semen Bogoslovskyi (MLB) goes for the !!!BLITZ!!!, Faruk Engel (TE/L) blocks, there is no SS who could tackle him, finally he gets tackled by Yakiv Grabovskyi (FS/C), forward progress: 8 yards, New first down (Big I formation vs. 5-3-3) So. MLB when HB/C run over center. MLB blocked by TE/L. Blitz is not successful! HB rush for 8 yards and tackled by FS. This is defect of engine! Because, it must be collision between MLB and HB and loss of the yards. TE is must to have the rocket engine what to have time to block MLB! Otherwise MLB can be blocked by OC, OG or FB. But not by TE! |
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posted: 2011-11-07 10:04:52 (ID: 15634) |
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dark_wing wrote:
2:50 4 and 1 to go on own 41, Drago Schneider (OC) snaps the ball to Muharrem Hartmann (QB), who hands off to Horst-Peter Kraus (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the center, Semen Bogoslovskyi (MLB) goes for the !!!BLITZ!!!, Faruk Engel (TE/L) blocks, there is no SS who could tackle him, finally he gets tackled by Yakiv Grabovskyi (FS/C), forward progress: 8 yards, New first down (Big I formation vs. 5-3-3) So. MLB when HB/C run over center. MLB blocked by TE/L. Blitz is not successful! HB rush for 8 yards and tackled by FS. This is defect of engine! Because, it must be collision between MLB and HB and loss of the yards. TE is must to have the rocket engine what to have time to block MLB! Otherwise MLB can be blocked by OC, OG or FB. But not by TE! I guess this is a misunderstanding here. It is the former lined MLB that breaks through, but there is no description of where he tries to break through. So it "MIGHT" be a collission, but it doesnt have to be one. And, collisions are not active here this engine for rushing, even for friendlies. We are testing this in the test area, since yesterday. Btw: it leads to some issues, since the balance is not as it should be. Could be very well the time is too short til this offseason, but we will see. |
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posted: 2011-11-07 11:09:58 (ID: 15635) Report Abuse |
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In 5-3-3 formation we are have ROLB-MLB-LOLB.
The zone of the left TE - is ROLB zone. I think Engine needs list of possible btitz-ways for defenders per formations. Now 3 ok vs 1 no ok in blitzing - is no bad. Last edited on 2011-11-07 11:10:39 by dark_wing |
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posted: 2011-11-08 11:27:22 (ID: 15747) Report Abuse |
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Nice one, thank you. I assume I have "workload" for some more days, on the blitzing... DO NOT FORGET!!! That is the best outcome for the blitzers, but the general purpose is to disrupt the QB's rhythm by forcing him to throw early or before he can find a receiver or before the receiver finishes his pattern. This is a true!!! |
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