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posted: 2012-01-05 14:54:07 (ID: 22346) |
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panoramix wrote:
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I am doing some very last words on this topic - from my side. 1.) I googled for Head Coach salaries of the NFL as example. I was told about yearly salaries of 5-7 million. Have you done the same thing when you've decided the stadium development costs? No, but both enter on the same balance. And make this a more...unbalanced balance. I used Excel, and made a calculation for 20 seasons in the future. Then I spent some thought on how many superstars (skill 45+) a team should be allowed to own, doublechecked the other costs. This is how the economy was established more than 2 years (real time) ago. Meanwhile we made some adaptions, as example when we switched from a soccer league mode to NFL mode due the much longer seasons. It is not unbalanced, as far as I can measure it now. Check your own forecast pls. What I don't get: why "everyone" is complaining that he can't afford high quality players/coaches with his "poor 100 seats stadium". That won't work, even in real life. Coaches are not there to get hired once for lifetime. So if you can't afford the coaches you want to have, manage your finances until you can. Meanwhile go with a weaker squad. of course there are some people who can afford a high quality suqad of coaches yet. Why? They prepared their financial base well enough to do so. Is this wrong? no. panoramix wrote:
The question is: I have see many threads on the "discussion" section, but no one about ACs and relative wages. Many players don't write on the forum, some are writing only on his language section. I don't see a major consensus at the "coaches thing", except for some big stadium managers. I have appreciated you for your continuing presence and your speed on the problems solving, but I think thath the "coaches thing", as this is now, likes just you and few others. C'mon, I am not responsible for having discussions, that's the users duty. The coaches were not developed out of the head. There were persons involved at the test stage, some said OK, other liked it, and if you believe it or not, there were complainers too. And it was adapted to make it less aggressive, this feature. Then we introduced it here, and everybody could join the discussion, as many did. But if there are people that don't read the global forums due whatever reasons, I don't feel responsible for it. I accept your opinion about the Coaches thing, but you have to accept my one too. You don't like it, I like it. That's the way it is. No problem until this point. But don't expect me to give up a feature because of a discussion we have while the feature is not active. And donÄt expect me to make fast changes without any further checks. Until now: I have doublechecked the wages situation for the coaches several times and it was/is ok, and you are telling me it would kill the game. What do you expect from me now? And don't get me wrong, but out of the group of forum reading managers there are more that would like to deal with this feature than people complaining about it. And as said before, I am not responsible for "not forum reading people". |
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posted: 2012-01-05 14:56:42 (ID: 22348) |
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KingOfTh3Hil wrote:
and btw, you would deserve a little vacation for all the great things you have done in here pete. hope you dont dislike me much atleast, and if you do plz tell me so i can do something about it 
Thx u. Bullshit. I don't hate people naturally, and I don't dislike people without reason. You had your point, we discussed about, and thats it. Even it is sometimes hard for me to catch all the things due language issues...Vacation? Nice idea btw... |
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posted: 2012-01-05 15:07:20 (ID: 22350) |
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Finally I forgot something:
If you as a manager feel you don't like coaches, don't hire them. Of course you will miss "some" training points, and maybe your squad is acting a little bit worse - we're talking about 5% or something similar. But especially on the gameplay the befenit out having coaches is not high enough to be a hard decisionmaker - it is pretty much like a home advantage. |
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-01-05 17:35:57 (ID: 22361) Report Abuse |
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When i am reading this thread i always wanted the Popcorn eating smilie.
Perhaps everyone should play Anpfiff 3, use some of the cheats an win everything in the first season ^^ Cool down everybody  |
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posted: 2012-01-05 18:04:03 (ID: 22365) Report Abuse |
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Kottan wrote: Name CP Weekly Wage Bid Price
HC Team Ayodele Orji 55 $70.306 $17.577 AC QB Myron Ruban 53 $40.083 $10.021 AC RB Tudor Tigirlas 53 $31.956 $7.989 AC FB Zahit Habib 53 $26.731 $6.683 AC TE Shakwe Olanrewaju 55 $35.143 $8.786 AC WR Vyacheslav Goryachi 53 $30.795 $7.699 AC OL Abdiel Jeziorski 52 $25.999 $6.500 AC DL Edgars Pailuskiene 54 $27.778 $6.945 AC LB Hugo Van Diermen 53 $28.943 $7.236 AC CB Yagmyrmyat Levin 55 $37.929 $9.482 AC SF Milton Sanchez 53 $32.245 $8.061 AC ST -No Couch- $0 $387.908 $96.979 Remark: All coaches in this list are without a bid atm. You see. Weekly wage total is $388.000 and you can get those for $100.000. I think, this isn´t very expensive for teams who don´t own a full build stadium. Kottan Nice Post! I bought a WR who I want to retrain into a great RB as fast as possible. So I hired a CP 97 HC and a CP 96 RB AC. That's $882K + $522k a week right there. I hired a really old RB AC, so I figure he will retire just about the time my WR has 25+ Carry so it won't hurt too bad for too long. I could have gone for an 85 HC and 85 RB AC and saved $700k/week but I wanted to see how this works out. There's a big wage bump between 85 and 95 CPs. If it works out I'll a great RB running behind a strong O-line (did I mention I hired an 87 OL AC (only $212k/Wk!). If it doesn't work out, oh well, I'll regret it, but it's a game, so I'll punt and try something else. If I was starting out I'd totally follow Kottan's plan...although I'd try to squeeze a little more out of my budget for a 60+ CP HC. |
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-01-05 19:36:56 (ID: 22382) Report Abuse |
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Just a pair of things and I will stop this discussion, because the evidence is that my language sounds unintelligible to you.
My fault, I know. Admin wrote:Then we introduced it here, and everybody could join the discussion, as many did.
The discussion was not a discussion, but only an explanation of new rules (your words were: "the Coaches thing will go online as it is described"). Admin wrote:I accept your opinion about the Coaches thing, but you have to accept my one too. You don't like it, I like it. That's the way it is. No problem until this point.
I like it...i don't like it...this is pretty useless. But how many peoples likes this rules? How many peoples have to spend his time on the forum to tell you (with any result) that the amount of the coach wages, if compared with the other costs (players, stadium construction...), have no sense? I can say you that a pair of friends have joined this game and, after the introduction of coaches, don't connect anymore. But they were not active on this forum, so: who cares? Admin wrote:Until now: I have doublechecked the wages situation for the coaches several times and it was/is ok, and you are telling me it would kill the game. What do you expect from me now?
Now? After this kind of posts? Nothing, Pete, sorry. |
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posted: 2012-01-05 19:56:06 (ID: 22386) Report Abuse |
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Guys just let the new things come and if they are some changes to do, we'll see the problems in the future and correct it. If we don't go that way there won't be new changes...
We all play also in the same conditions. So if the salaries of coaches are high, we won't have level 50 players but level 40. That's not such a big deal. It's the same for all of us even if newer teams will go there in many more time... The more thing are money consuming, the more strategic choices you have to make (having coaches or not and buy on TM, develop YA...) That's what makes this game fun, it launches new features and you have to test it... With some mistakes but we all did several. Had to fire my HC and pay 1,3Million on an error concerning my reading from the manual... We have to be open to change and be constructive in criticism. Let the time roll for coaches and after that maybe we will have constructive criticism to improve it... But right now, who knows really |
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posted: 2012-01-05 20:00:57 (ID: 22390) Report Abuse |
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Dear Lord, exercise some patience.
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-01-05 20:05:40 (ID: 22391) Report Abuse |
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NYDOGS wrote:
Guys just let the new things come and if they are some changes to do, we'll see the problems in the future and correct it. If we don't go that way there won't be new changes... We all play also in the same conditions. No NY, we don't play in the same conditions: some have developed a full stadium without the high pressure of the coach wages. Now this is pretty impossible to do in a season or less more. May be in 3-4 seasons, with good coaches, or in 2-3 seasons whith poor coaches that have been to substitute (at very high price) in a second time. This is simply unfair. |
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posted: 2012-01-05 20:07:09 (ID: 22393) |
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panoramix wrote:
Admin wrote:What do you expect from me now?
Now? After this kind of posts? Nothing, Pete, sorry. Too bad, panoramix. Let's skip the hard discussion, and let's come back to a real discussion. And keep in mind, we are both non native speakers, so hiding behind "poor" english is an option  - and misunderstandings based on the language issues shouldn't become a reason for in-fights. It happens very often that I misinterpret words, especially if users are dipping into slang. And it happens often too, that I miss to use the right words, therefore posts might sound more harsh than expected. But hey, this is valid for nearly every non native speaker. But giving up a discussion because of that? Me? NEVER! Discussions happen because people have different opinions, so let's try to find solutions for it.
I mean, you have brought up several issues you have with this game. And even it might sound different: I appreciate that. The whole game was built on ideas users put on the table. But, it is much easier for all if a "I don't like it" is followed by a "because *** " followed by " the solution could be ***". I miss the last point somehow. This is in no way a complaint, since it is not your job to offer solutions. But it would help me and other a lot to understand how it should be in your opinion. This is why we call this forum discussions, after all. You are saying, the coaches are too expensive, and it is a advantage only for rich teams. in my opinion this is not completely true. Much more the coaches offer a chance for the "poorer" teams to catch up with the rich ones. Of course such a process can't be done over night, but this game is intended to be fast, there is not "over night"-mode in here. By saying this, you have to acknowledge that the "richer" and "older" teams have the quite small advantage of around 4 months now, which is, in relation to a players lifetime, nearly nothing. And this is exactly the point why we have so many people coming and going. There are not so many clients on my market that love to stick with such a thing for months and years. But this is ok for me. This is why we offer trials. And, most important, I care about users that don't join the forum for what reason ever...but there is absolutely no doubt, I can't take care of them as I could if they are active members of the community. I am really sorry, and I have "a tear in my eyes" for every gamer leaving the game, but I can't please all - and we can't make "joing the forums" mandatory. I hope you get my points, and hopefully you will join the discussion again - with arguments, and maybe ideas |
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