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posted: 2012-05-25 06:35:58 (ID: 42386) Report Abuse
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sh8888
posted: 2012-05-25 07:28:33 (ID: 42390) Report Abuse
Lee1950 wrote:
canonico wrote:
How can i stop my FB's from carrying the ball, all i want them to do is mainly block, does this have to do with the formation that is selected in the playbook?

1st thing: avoid running from either Shotgun formation ... there are no Halfbacks in the Shotgun.

2nd thing: don't run up the middle in the Wishbone.

I think that should do it.

Pro Set has no FB, and I think the HB does all the rushing in the I and Big-I.



don't run up the middle in the Wishbone

I don't really understand this comment.
I thought that the FullBack was the ball carrier in the Wishbone irrespective of whether you're running up the middle or not ? ...am I missing something obvious here ?

just on a more general note ....I thought that all formations were either "running back does the ball carry" (Big-I for example) or
"full-back does the ball carry" (Shotgun 2 ...no FB's on the pitch !).

I wasn't aware that there were any formations (in RZA ...yet) of the type "fullback might carry ..it depends/running back might carry..it depends".

Could somebody please clarify ? ...I'm a bit puzzled
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Buffalo
posted: 2012-05-25 07:35:24 (ID: 42391) Report Abuse
sh8888 wrote:
don't run up the middle in the Wishbone

I don't really understand this comment.
I thought that the FullBack was the ball carrier in the Wishbone irrespective of whether you're running up the middle or not ? ...am I missing something obvious here ?

just on a more general note ....I thought that all formations were either "running back does the ball carry" (Big-I for example) or
"full-back does the ball carry" (Shotgun 2 ...no FB's on the pitch !).

I wasn't aware that there were any formations (in RZA ...yet) of the type "fullback might carry ..it depends/running back might carry..it depends".

Could somebody please clarify ? ...I'm a bit puzzled


If you run in one direction, than the Runningback on this side will be selected, if there is one.

In the Wishbone you have HBL, HBR and FBC.

The HBL will be selected for runs over the left side, the HBR for runs over the right side and the FBC for runs through the middle.
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Lee1950
posted: 2012-05-25 07:40:04 (ID: 42393) Report Abuse
My understanding of the Wishbone is:

HBL always carries the ball on plays to the left
HBR always carries the ball on plays to the right
FBC always carries the ball on plays to the center

I could be mistaken...it's been a while since I ran up the center in Wishbone.


I'm not sure how I feel about the Wishbone as a running formation anyway. It tires two HBs and 1 FB every time you use it, which pushes you deeper down your Depth Chart faster than the other formations.


edit: Buffalo is too fast for me!!

Last edited on 2012-05-25 07:41:14 by Lee1950

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sh8888
posted: 2012-05-25 07:51:01 (ID: 42394) Report Abuse
Buffalo wrote:
If you run in one direction, than the Runningback on this side will be selected, if there is one.

In the Wishbone you have HBL, HBR and FBC.

The HBL will be selected for runs over the left side, the HBR for runs over the right side and the FBC for runs through the middle.


4:50 3 and 3 to go on own 33, Steffen Bauer (OC) snaps the ball to Denis Hahn (QB), hands off to Rodrigo Robles (FB/C), he starts running over the right guard, Rodrigo Robles (FB/C) tackled by Clayton Baker (MLB), forward progress: 8 yards, New first down (Wishbone vs. 4-3-4)

I've just had a quick study of one of Buffalo's games (I could learn plenty here !) .... I think it was probably the above that was confusing me ... it looks like the FB runs over the centre or guards and the RB runs over the Ends ....am I getting closer to understanding this ?
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alexshans84
posted: 2012-05-25 08:13:28 (ID: 42396) Report Abuse
Middle direction includes rush over the center and over the guards AFAIK
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canonico
posted: 2012-05-25 16:29:15 (ID: 42442) Report Abuse
How about QB runs, are those happening because he's Inteligence fires when he is under preassure and starts to run or does it have to do with the option from the wishbone formation?
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alexshans84
posted: 2012-05-25 17:31:47 (ID: 42446) Report Abuse
Just random IMO
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Lee1950
posted: 2012-05-25 20:25:29 (ID: 42453) Report Abuse
alexshans84 wrote:
Just random IMO

correct, as far as I know.
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canonico
posted: 2012-05-25 21:54:43 (ID: 42462) Report Abuse
Lee1950 wrote:
alexshans84 wrote:
Just random IMO

correct, as far as I know.


Oh ok random, but there is some sort of ability/play/formation that trigers it to happen IMO. We probably just dont know what is it. And both times it happened in my team it was with the same QB playing with the same offensive formation vs the same defensive formation.


2 and 11 to go on own 35, Pedro Nogueira (OC) snaps the ball to Julio Castro (QB), who runs by himself, he starts running over the center, Julio Castro (QB) tackled by Raffaele Formica (MLB), forward progress: 8 yards (Big I formation vs. 4-3-4)

1 and 10 to go on own 25, Pedro Nogueira (OC) snaps the ball to Julio Castro (QB), who runs by himself, this seems to be a run over the right tackle, Roméo Vokác (DE/R) breaks through, Alberto Coutinho (TE/L) blocks, Julio Castro (QB) tackled by Raffaele Formica (MLB), forward progress: 6 yards (Big I formation vs. 4-3-4)

3 and 3 to go on own 32, Luíz Cunha (OC) snaps the ball to Paulo Neves (QB), who runs by himself, he starts running over the right end, Cody Chornyi (DE/L) brings Paulo Neves (QB) down, nice tackle, forward progress: no gain (Wishbone vs. 5-3-3)

1 and 10 to go on own 39, Marc Barriere (OC) snaps the ball to António Martins (QB), who runs by himself, this seems to be a run over the right guard, António Martins (QB) tackled by Jocke Berg (MLB), forward progress: 3 yards (Big I formation vs. 3-4-4)


Microscopic sample size but ill keep an eye on QB´s run to try and figure out why this happens. Becasue if you guys who have been playing for a while now still dont know im assuming its PAFO.

EDIT - Found a New one.

Heres the skills that both QB´s have that i believe could influenbced the decision and also the success of the run.

Julio Castro - 2 Runs
Intelligence - 32
Strength - 24.8
Speed - 34.7
Agility - 13.5
Carrying - 13.7

Paulo Neves - 1 Run (Sold)
Intelligence - 23
Strength - 28
Speed - 23
Agility - 8
Carrying - 9

Antonio Martins - 1 Run
Intelligence - 27.3
Strength - 35.4
Speed - 33.7
Agility - 12.4
Carrying - 11.5


So its clear why Julio Castro was successfull in his two runs and why Neves was not, He has higher intelency, speed, agility and carry, only has less strength wich by what i can tell isnt a main skill to run well, but why did they run in the first place. This is intriguing me!

Martins also gained a couple of yards on his run. Really weird not to have info on this. Could be that they were under preassure wich is my bet.

Last edited on 2012-05-25 22:32:32 by canonico

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