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hosh13
posted: 2012-12-19 10:30:57 (ID: 72611) Report Abuse
I can see a point in the paid friendlies from the fun/social point of view.

But these scrimmages give the opportunity to test the engine for specific stuff and get "inside info".
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posted: 2012-12-19 10:35:15 (ID: 72612) Report Abuse
hosh13 wrote:
I can see a point in the paid friendlies from the fun/social point of view.

But these scrimmages give the opportunity to test the engine for specific stuff and get "inside info".


If this would be an argument, you need to kick all managers here for more than 1 year, since they have seen so many games, so much insight...I guess you know what I mean.

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hosh13
posted: 2012-12-19 10:43:19 (ID: 72613) Report Abuse
Yeah, but in general, you need to try and win in "official" games rather than simply test stuff.

If people do extreme stuff that they'd never do in a normal game, they might end up with info that makes the difference.

anyway..............
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sh8888
posted: 2012-12-19 10:47:14 (ID: 72614) Report Abuse
hosh13 wrote:
I can see a point in the paid friendlies from the fun/social point of view.

But these scrimmages give the opportunity to test the engine for specific stuff and get "inside info".


There is no such thing as 'inside info' for this game ....... only Admin knows the source code, therefore only Admin is the insider

So ... how do you get information about the Engine ?

- ask Admin, he might/might not tell you the info ... it depends upon what info was asked for
- read the Forums, there are small nuggets of info out there. Piece together these and you'll complete more of the jigsaw
- Check the hundreds/thousands of competitive/friendly games out there and try to deduce how the engine works

So ... use your brain/initiative, do some research/work and you'll probably learn something.

or .... just whine all day on the Forums about how unfair everything is

Last edited on 2012-12-19 10:59:52 by sh8888

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hosh13
posted: 2012-12-19 11:01:40 (ID: 72615) Report Abuse
sh8888 wrote:
So ... how do you get information about the Engine ?

- ask Admin, he might/might not tell you the info ... it depends upon what info was aked for
- read the Forums, there are small nuggets of info out there. Piece together these and you'll complete more of the jigsaw
- Check the hundreds/thousands of competitive/friendly games out there and try to deduce how the engine works


I always seem to need to elaborate for you!

Now there is another way - it's called "scrimmage" and it will allow probing of the engine in ways that normal games don't allow since winning is the focus in those.

In Formula 1 for example, they tend to not test in races and do things in testing, in the name of finding stuff out, that you do not do in races.

Testing, as it was traditionally in F1 for years, is dead for the very same reason I post in here now.
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posted: 2012-12-19 11:06:11 (ID: 72616) Report Abuse
Ah, too much black white IMO

In another game, we got no answers by admins, no one had an idea what to do. So we "founded" a group of users, called GIRG, and scheduled friendly games with certain tactics, just to get an idea what is needed.

And we created results...If people want to learn details, they can do that with or without scrimmages.

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sh8888
posted: 2012-12-19 11:13:44 (ID: 72618) Report Abuse
hosh13 wrote:
I always seem to need to elaborate for you!

Your elaboration can also be described as talking utter crap... you seem to need to do that also

hosh13 wrote:
Now there is another way - it's called "scrimmage" and it will allow probing of the engine in ways that normal games don't allow since winning is the focus in those.

In Formula 1 for example, they tend to not test in races and do things in testing, in the name of finding stuff out, that you do not do in races.

Testing, as it was traditionally in F1 for years, is dead for the very same reason I post in here now.


Meaningless waffle (i.e. your speciality)..... plus the fact that the analogy is irrelevant.
Plenty of teams use the SuperCup to experiment etc etc ....... there are many ways to do it, you're just too narrow-minded and negative to actually figure it out.
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phareux
posted: 2012-12-19 13:49:56 (ID: 72629) Report Abuse
BTW, thanks Pete, I kept wishing that i could play scrimmages on off days. But I didn't mention it because I knew there were other priorites that were more important.

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MTS1972
posted: 2012-12-19 13:53:16 (ID: 72630) Report Abuse
sh8888 is spot on Hosh.

Youre given a minimum of 1 free friendly per week - what are friendlies for if not for testing things out? I have arranged to play the same team week in week out and we agree for him to do this, me to do that, so we can analyse results and see what works - both in game and for our respective teams. All thats needed to do in that case is swap the odd PM. Too much like hard work for ya?

Scrimmages are another dimension to that and added value to the thinking, insightful manager - not the lazy assed one who wants to know everything but cant be assed to do anything about it.

You want Pete to change this, that, the other, you wanna run your gob off spouting all manner of drivel in the name of suggestions or game improvement, yet bleat when something has to be paid for.

What do you think Pete runs on? The hot air provided by your trap? Sadly not.....so if you dont like it, lump it - otherwise find a few bucks, get a supporters account (which includes Credits) and take a few titbits from the rich mens table!

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sh8888
posted: 2012-12-19 13:58:23 (ID: 72631) Report Abuse
MTS1972 wrote:
What do you think Pete runs on?


here's a clue :-


Source: http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/files/2007/09/guinnessbeer.jpg


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