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oddball
posted: 2011-09-17 21:47:37 (ID: 10710) Report Abuse
why is this formation so ineffective against the rush especially if played against shotgun.
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posted: 2011-09-17 21:50:02 (ID: 10712)
oddball wrote:
why is this formation so ineffective against the rush especially if played against shotgun.


At the moment DEs tend to blitz on pass assumptions...This will be covered later by the blitz setting, at the moment the decision is not on the coach!
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oddball
posted: 2011-09-17 21:53:25 (ID: 10714) Report Abuse
that doesnt help when u assume shotgun will be a pass set for it or 4-3-4 and then all game u cant defend against it and your team wont adapt either.

sorry pete but it seriously overpowers things, will have to do some testing now to see how badly shotgun and wishbone kill 4-3-4. 2 sets of playbook for the same formations for pass and rush wonder how the engine will decide which one it chooses.

Last edited on 2011-09-17 22:03:22 by oddball

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sfniner08
posted: 2011-09-17 22:01:08 (ID: 10715) Report Abuse
oddball wrote:
that doesnt help when u assume shotgun will be a pass set for it or 4-3-4 and then all game u cant defend against it and your team wont adapt either.


What I have tried to do is set up a 3-4-4 vs shotgun in vs run situations. Seems to work ok so far.
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oddball
posted: 2011-09-17 22:04:44 (ID: 10719) Report Abuse
i have 344 v shotgun but the way my playbook is set for pass and yardage it never got chance to kick in assuming an opponent wouldnt use 1 formation all game for 4 downs
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Turtlemania
posted: 2011-09-18 02:50:20 (ID: 10738) Report Abuse
oddball wrote:
i have 344 v shotgun but the way my playbook is set for pass and yardage it never got chance to kick in assuming an opponent wouldnt use 1 formation all game for 4 downs


Thank you! Exact what i said also in the "understanding defense" thread in rookie area

The system is not "learning" but Admin said it would

See his explanation in the same thread

I put much time into playbook to see that it is all not worht was

I checked my last game 62 rush 4 pass and playbook never kicked and switched to rush defense setting. So its just roulette guess what the opponent will play without chance to react in playbook

Dont have a problem with this but just need to know. But my playbook was build with knowledge and info given before which seem to be not working like it should.
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Turtlemania
posted: 2011-09-18 04:26:40 (ID: 10743) Report Abuse
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At the moment DEs tend to blitz on pass assumptions...


Is this always on pass assumptions independent of formation?

When DE on field AND pass assupmtion THEN DE=blitz

At what percentage/random choice?
Is this percentage/random choice same for all defensive Formations?
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oddball
posted: 2011-09-18 09:25:19 (ID: 10774) Report Abuse
Turtlemania wrote:
oddball wrote:
i have 344 v shotgun but the way my playbook is set for pass and yardage it never got chance to kick in assuming an opponent wouldnt use 1 formation all game for 4 downs


Thank you! Exact what i said also in the "understanding defense" thread in rookie area

The system is not "learning" but Admin said it would

See his explanation in the same thread

I put much time into playbook to see that it is all not worht was

I checked my last game 62 rush 4 pass and playbook never kicked and switched to rush defense setting. So its just roulette guess what the opponent will play without chance to react in playbook

Dont have a problem with this but just need to know. But my playbook was build with knowledge and info given before which seem to be not working like it should.


it should and hopefully will adapt, i had my playbook set to a specific task on shotgun and not generic enough to kick in against this issue. i have changed it now as i noticed a few of my opponent do the same and all seem to be German lol
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posted: 2011-09-18 10:30:43 (ID: 10790)
The defense is learning, I checked that multiple times now.

The blitzing is only for DE, and the formation does not matter
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Turtlemania
posted: 2011-09-18 11:08:11 (ID: 10806) Report Abuse
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The defense is learning, I checked that multiple times now.


At what rate? Not at the one like you said before.

And if so then i am just unlucky and have to live with with this uncomfortable disadvantage

And thank you for DE clarification because blitzing

Last edited on 2011-09-18 11:08:32 by Turtlemania

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