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| posted: 2024-02-28 23:24:32 (ID: 100181961) Report Abuse | |
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Can We all agree to make bots better opponents?
There are a number of problems with bots being as weak as they are now. 1. It's against all manners of sportsmanship to beat a team by 50,60,100+. As a longtime coach, I find it disgusting to beat a team by that much. 40 points tops and even then the 2nd stringers better have scored the last points. I have a line in my playbook, fourth quarter up by 20 or more Run in Big I formation. Just trying to eat clock and not score again. 2. It's completely unrealistic. No team, no matter how woeful, gets regularly stomped by 60+ points. 3. Since the playoff tie breaker is based on point differential PD, the number of bots a team faces has HUGE implications. Yes, there is a 60point lid on PD. Two teams face an unequal number of bots, and the tiebreaker is worthless. That 60points spread over the other 15 games is somewhere between 3 and 5 points per game.  That is a lot to make up.
4. The overarching point is that a 60 point stomp of an opponent should be a rare occurrence. Not the minimum needed to keep up in the PD race. 5. No good is served having the Bots be this bad. Can Bots evolve into something better? |
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| posted: 2024-02-29 07:23:58 (ID: 100181963) Report Abuse | |
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You have to look also on the other side of the coin.
Should a BOT be better, why and what would be the result out of that in terms of game design, manager motivation and balance. Assuming a BOT should be better, then how much? A fixed value, say level 60? 70? Then a certain amount of new teams will lose against BOT teams more often or even always. Motivation for casual gamers would be zero I guess. A flexible value, say 10% less than the human team? Same level as human team? 20% less? That would mean that some games will be lost, some won, which would change the balance inside a league. Right now a game against a BOT team is a W, only the amount of BOT games for a single team does shift the playoff chances. With a flexible strength, you can win or lose, which makes the playoffs goal toucher to reach, but not because you did play good or bad against a human team, no, because some math against a BOT did not work out right. I think here also the motivation for a cusual gamer would be bad. And if the game would only be for hardcore gamer, there would be much more BOT teams, so from my point of view, BOTs should stay as they are. It was often discussed to make BOTs better, stronger, to avoid playoff goal shifts, once a team becomes maybe BOT during the season. But so far, nobody came up with a clever alternative. I think the main expectation as new manager is, that once you have your stuff sorted out, you expect to win against a BOT, so if that strength of a BOT would be higher, or would adjust, that expaction would be not fulfilled and more managers would quit after a few days or weeks, which the community really can't sustain to be honest. |
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| posted: 2024-02-29 15:30:36 (ID: 100181975) Report Abuse | |
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Stabler12 wrote:
Can Bots evolve into something better? Not in my plans. We had the discussion over and over, and it comes down to the point, how you see bots. Some see them as opponents. I see them simply as a filler. The bot just exsists to be able to create schedules, to create results if a human is missing. This was always my view. On top, I was always under the assumption that a newbee should not be confronted with a challenging bot. The challenge should be evolving a team, and beat human managers. But bots? No, never. The only plan I found somehow nice was to give bots a similar strength to the human it plays. But this would result in the situation, where the same bot team plays vs Rufio or Steve or other RZA universe top teams, being on steroids - while the same bot playing H2TAGIT4Q would have to be a bunch of isabled, elderly people out of the nursing home. Nice, but no good solution. |
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| posted: 2024-02-29 19:02:57 (ID: 100181981) Report Abuse | |
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Are the Bots in danger of beating a noob right now? One week after the founding of the Weasels, back in S50, we beat our first Bot 49-0. Todays Bot beatdown was 102-0. We must be more than twice as good as when we started.
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| posted: 2024-02-29 19:11:02 (ID: 100181982) Report Abuse | |
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I received complaints from manager that got beaten by a bot. Welcome to my life
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| posted: 2024-02-29 19:39:53 (ID: 100181983) Report Abuse | |
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Stabler12 wrote:
Are the Bots in danger of beating a noob right now? One week after the founding of the Weasels, back in S50, we beat our first Bot 49-0. Todays Bot beatdown was 102-0. We must be more than twice as good as when we started. Yes this happened before. It can happen to a new team or managers who have a low overall team and play with intensity "relaxed". It also counts the level of a BOOT team. If that BOOT team has players worth of 2M-4M then it increases the chance to get beat by that BOOT team. I have seen it in D2 because there were a few teams with players salary of +1M even one with 5M and some of them defeated new teams and even St. Pauli Packers from our region has had a game in which a BOOT team defeated him a few seasons ago because he played with intensity "relaxed". You don't see that anymore because BOOT teams in D1 get replaced with new teams quite fast, so even if a manager left and his team turn BOOT with a 3M squad, in just a short time he will be replaced with a new team with player value of 100.000$. |
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| posted: 2024-02-29 19:54:51 (ID: 100181984) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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I wonder how serious must have been the consequences of that loss, @Pete. It wasn't the playoff match, was it?
Because to me it's like going to the teacher to argue about 1 point missing to "A". Resulting in only "A-" 
edit: Although in this case it's more like "F" vs "F+" Last edited on 2024-02-29 19:58:56 by jpnwrt |
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| posted: 2024-02-29 21:35:07 (ID: 100181985) Report Abuse | |
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jpnwrt wrote:
I wonder how serious must have been the consequences of that loss, @Pete. It wasn't the playoff match, was it? Because to me it's like going to the teacher to argue about 1 point missing to "A". Resulting in only "A-"
edit: Although in this case it's more like "F" vs "F+" It had no consequences for me, but caused a very unpleasent gamestart for the new manager. |
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