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| posted: 2025-03-20 09:26:05 (ID: 100189881) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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In the Philippines, the former president has just bien arrested and given to international justice.
I just read a very interesting article about protests in Serbia in the French press. A youth movement with no identified leader who is a challenge for power. And the biggest public demonstrations since the fall of Milosevic. I hope they can stand united and succeed Last edited on 2025-03-20 09:31:15 by Uaschitschun |
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| posted: 2025-03-20 20:49:34 (ID: 100189895) Report Abuse | |
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Uaschitschun wrote:
In the Philippines, the former president has just bien arrested and given to international justice. I just read a very interesting article about protests in Serbia in the French press. A youth movement with no identified leader who is a challenge for power. And the biggest public demonstrations since the fall of Milosevic. I hope they can stand united and succeed All true. Students don't have a leader, one person who can be bought by corrupted goverment. That is a problem for psyhopat Vucic, because he think everything is for sale and that he can buy anyone. We all hope, we all stand united. Just spreading the word around the world, that is what we need. Thanks for support. |
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| posted: 2025-04-30 16:58:11 (ID: 100190988) Report Abuse | |
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Yeah. UN official said that "goverment needs to find who used it" so now it seems that there is no more was it used or not. A lot of people are having great hearing problems, sone have psyhological problems after feeling that some unknown force was coming to get them. Goverment two days ago used police force against students. But our students are awesome. 80 of them ride bicycles all the way to Strasbourg. 21 of them are now running to Brussels. 14 days our national TV was blocked due to bad informing about what is happening in our country. Goverment must go down, we all hope it will be soon. |
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| posted: 2025-05-01 05:19:32 (ID: 100190997) Report Abuse | |
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Dumbarajko wrote:
80 of them ride bicycles all the way to Strasbourg. Maybe this is a dumb question from an American, but does the EU / EU Parliament have some actual power over the government of Serbia or is it mostly for moral support? Steve SD Blitz |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:
80 of them ride bicycles all the way to Strasbourg. Maybe this is a dumb question from an American, but does the EU / EU Parliament have some actual power over the government of Serbia or is it mostly for moral support? Steve SD Blitz Our president is doing great job for everybody (USA, Russia, Germany, France, China...) selling/giving parts of our country for nothing. But we all hope that world will open eyes and judge this psyhopat for all that he is doing to his people. |
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| posted: 2025-05-01 07:48:23 (ID: 100191000) Report Abuse | |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:
80 of them ride bicycles all the way to Strasbourg. Maybe this is a dumb question from an American, but does the EU / EU Parliament have some actual power over the government of Serbia or is it mostly for moral support? Steve SD Blitz What pete posted is from European Court of Human Rights, in Strasbourg too as well as the EU parlialement, but is is not the same thing as EU. More countries, and it deals only with problems of Human Rights inside the country. It is not that powerful. Russia was part of ECHR until 2022, I think it says a lot about his limites. And for EU, Serbia is not part a member. EU can put some pressure on them if they want to be part of it, but nothing more. And even in EU we have some problematic governements since more than a decade, who don't respect the rules of the Union concerning human rights, balance of power, etc... and the EU can't do anything. When the EU was created and developped, the idea was that it will become a place for wealth and democracy, and that countries once under dictatorship would like to join and that it will strenghten their new freedom. In a way, it worked for Spain, Portugal, most of the Eastern Europe after 1990... But quite naively the UE treaties created no possibility to expel a country inside UE who don't respect these fundamental rules, and it is hard even to punish it. So don't expect too much from UE, unfortunately, even though it can add to the pressure of the streets. I don't know if I made myself clear, it is not easy to explain these kind of things in English for me. |
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| posted: 2025-05-01 09:29:05 (ID: 100191001) Report Abuse | |
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I want to point out something that often gets overlooked. When a body like the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) makes a move, it doesn’t have much direct power to enforce things — its influence is mostly symbolic. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.
Member states are actually bound by the Court’s judgments, even if enforcing them can sometimes be tricky. Getting “called out” by the ECHR is a moral hit for any leader or government. It puts a stain on the clean image they want to show the world. Even if they drag their feet or try to ignore the ruling, it still chips away at their reputation, both at home and abroad. It can spark public debate, get activists moving, and draw international attention — all of which can slowly push for change. So yes, when the ECHR steps in, it matters. Not because it can force anyone’s hand directly, but because its moral weight, combined with the legal obligation of member states to follow its judgments, creates real pressure that can shift things over time. |
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| posted: 2025-05-03 08:51:32 (ID: 100191036) Edits found: 4 Report Abuse | |
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@Uatsh... Utschn... (
 - just kidding, I know how to copy-paste, just pointing to the fact that your nick is quite a challenge to spell, for me  )
@Uaschitschun - while it is true that there are no direct ways to expel a country from the EU (and I think we both think of one in particular), there are indirect options, which could achieve just that. It would cause some problems in a short run, definitely, also extra costs, but may be it is better that way, because it prevents removing a country without true reason for it - while the tools are still there, if really needed. Having said that, I personally think that one of those options, creating a new EU, under any name, in a long run would be beneficial. At least until the situation on the eastern flank of the bloc is more secure. More than that - I think even an informal _threat_ of such move might work and make the transition no longer neccessary. The fact that there is absolutely nothing of that sort (unless I missed it), tells me personally, that the negatives of expelling the country I am thinking about would at least match the positives. Holes in the whole have this interesting feature, that they don't like to remain holes - and they often fill with the last what we'd like them to fill with. At least that's how I understand why the EU prefers to hope that sooner or later there will be a change of the inner situation, rather than to act. Personally I think they might buy themselves a large supply of popcorn, while they wait for it. But that's just me. @Dumbarajko - sorry for a post very far from the original issue ps. Actually I think there was something "cooking", regarding the informal threat, in the EU. But the problem with EU is that it usually takes time with everything. And I think that gave the time for the leader of one of the EU countries to do the preemptive strike - he himself mentioned informally, that they themselves might consider leaving the EU. In my view, that was one heck of a smart move (aside from the negative feelings I generally have regarding that particular leader). The sting of the informal threat would hit by far less than it could have, and I am afraid it would be too late for it now. ps.ps. Sorry for the metaphores, which might not be easy to read at least for those of you further from Europe. To get my point about holes filling with something, draw a map of Europe painting NATO in one colour, say green, the major NATO enemy, whoever that might be ( ), with a contrasting colour, say red. And then redraw the countries which seem to oppose the major trend in the EU painting them with stripes of the shade of red. Keep in mind that you don't have to limit yourself to just one "hole". Look at its neighbours on the map. Then look at the potential allies of that colour even further west. And also at the countries were the threat of changing the colour was quite significant, until EU paid attention to it. Paid attention - for now. But I wouldn't be so sure in a long run, especially if the situation nearby changes.
The shape of the green doesn't look too good anymore, does it. Last edited on 2025-05-03 09:24:26 by jpnwrt |
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