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| posted: 2025-12-03 13:00:01 (ID: 100195628) Report Abuse | |
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Week 15 - The Championship games is online
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| posted: 2025-12-10 10:06:23 (ID: 100195785) Report Abuse | |
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Week 16 (Army - Navy) and the 1st set of Bowls are online.
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| posted: 2025-12-10 14:17:32 (ID: 100195790) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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Go Navy, Beat Army
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| posted: 2025-12-11 15:04:49 (ID: 100195839) Report Abuse | |
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In no way did the committee "do their job", the fix was absolutely in to get in as many SEC teams as possible and screw over Notre Dame. Go back one week, absolutely no reason to move Alabama ahead of Notre Dame after both teams beat bad teams (and Alabama's game was close!!). Even putting that aside, after the events of Saturday and I rushed for more yards than Alabama did, somehow Alabama doesn't fall AT ALL?!?!? In a fair world, Notre Dame and Miami both make it in the playoffs. In a realistic world, Notre Dame and Alabama make it in the playoffs. In no way can a team (Miami) move ahead of a team when neither team played a game! If Miami wasted to avoid this they should've beat a bad SMU and a bad Louisville team. Notre Dame would've won the Texas AM game had the refs not missed one of the rushers getting tackled on his way to the quarterback! SEC refs strike again.
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| posted: 2025-12-11 15:12:40 (ID: 100195840) Report Abuse | |
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Also, your opinion on Notre Dame being independent is at best ill-informed. Ask yourself why is any team in a conference vs. independent? Obvious answer is money. No other team could do it on their own, otherwise they would. Speaks to the power of the Notre Dame brand. Many years ago when ND wanted to join what is now the Big 10, Michigan (and other teams) fought to keep them out because of anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant bias. So they were forced to be independent. They've always been held to a higher standard because that bias still exists today.
As far as skipping the bowl game, good for them. Reports estimate it'll hurt ESPN to the tune of $50 million. FSU 2 years ago was absolutely screwed over worse than ND 2 years ago, and they likewise should've refused to participate in a game where half their roster would opt out anyway (just like ND would have). |
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| posted: 2025-12-12 07:25:02 (ID: 100195865) Report Abuse | |
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Jackbauer111111 wrote:
In no way did the committee "do their job", the fix was absolutely in to get in as many SEC teams as possible and screw over Notre Dame. Go back one week, absolutely no reason to move Alabama ahead of Notre Dame after both teams beat bad teams (and Alabama's game was close!!). Even putting that aside, after the events of Saturday and I rushed for more yards than Alabama did, somehow Alabama doesn't fall AT ALL?!?!? In a fair world, Notre Dame and Miami both make it in the playoffs. In a realistic world, Notre Dame and Alabama make it in the playoffs. In no way can a team (Miami) move ahead of a team when neither team played a game! If Miami wasted to avoid this they should've beat a bad SMU and a bad Louisville team. Notre Dame would've won the Texas AM game had the refs not missed one of the rushers getting tackled on his way to the quarterback! SEC refs strike again. The committee DID their job, it's wide spread across fractions. You are not happy with the result? Fine. Such rankings are always tough. Here is a link of a ranking meta site, which does capture many many rankings and tries to make some sort of average score on those. Meta rankings by Massey As you can see there, the ranking for Notre Dame is 6th place (now), but several rankings have the team higher and lower. So, obviously every system has their own math, how to rank the teams. The committee does as far as I understood look at the whole set of games after every gameday and reevaluate the whole set. And then shifts can happen, since a win or loss on gameday 1 gets a different 'value' with more data available. And as I understood the do it by compares and discussion, so no fixture on wins and losses, but also how they games went and how this has to be valued. From my point of view one can make cases for any sorting permutation. You don't like the sorting, obviously. I understand that. My own mystery on that ranking is the Alabama rank. You are right, no drop at all is strange. And I'm pretty sure that the BIG10 and the SEC have a good lobby inside the committee, so yes, they get more spots by that. The good thing is, this will be sorted out on the field. Unfortune without Notre Dame, but as for every team valid, if you want to be in, win. And they lost one too many games. Their schedule did not help also. Jackbauer111111 wrote:
Also, your opinion on Notre Dame being independent is at best ill-informed. Ask yourself why is any team in a conference vs. independent? Obvious answer is money. No other team could do it on their own, otherwise they would. Speaks to the power of the Notre Dame brand. Many years ago when ND wanted to join what is now the Big 10, Michigan (and other teams) fought to keep them out because of anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant bias. So they were forced to be independent. They've always been held to a higher standard because that bias still exists today. As far as skipping the bowl game, good for them. Reports estimate it'll hurt ESPN to the tune of $50 million. FSU 2 years ago was absolutely screwed over worse than ND 2 years ago, and they likewise should've refused to participate in a game where half their roster would opt out anyway (just like ND would have). I'm quite good informed on Notre Dame. They are not forced to stay independent, they decide to do so, since they have the nice NBC contract and get as much money as any other top school by that. Any conference affiliation would cost them a lot of money. But in terms of politics inside the NCAA, they start to lose their grip. As an SEC team, or a BIG10 team, they would be in the playoffs. As an ACC team, they would have played inside the Championship game and would never have been downranked, if they would have won. Only the future will tell, whether being an independent stays a business model in the FBS. |
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| posted: 2025-12-12 15:20:27 (ID: 100195880) Report Abuse | |
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On one hand you say the committee did their job, on the other hand you say ND doesn't have political influence on the committee. So which is it?
Those meta rankings tell an amazing story, ND the 6th best team, committee has them 11?!? Consistently ahead of Miami and even more so Alabama. The committee is buyest - bought and paid for by the SEC. They didn't do their job, they saw if they could squeeze another SEC team in everyone with SEC ties gets more money from the playoffs. It's as simple as that. ND did win that Texas AM game, and the committee should've considered that SEC refs absolutely hosed the Irish on the 4th and goal play. 11-1 ND is too good for even the biased committee to ignore. Why aren't more teams independent? Because they're not strong enough to survive on their own. If ND sucks they don't get that conference money like other teams do, win or lose. |
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| posted: 2025-12-12 15:22:47 (ID: 100195881) Report Abuse | |
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Again, if ND joined the SEC, Big 10, ACC, whatever, the conference gets way more money than ND does in that arrangement. So of course everyone wants ND to join a conference, they want a slice of the ND money! Plenty of conference teams don't play in their conference championship (Ole Miss, Oklahoma, etc) ND doesn't need a conference to survive, unlike 99% of college football
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| posted: 2025-12-12 21:27:33 (ID: 100195890) Report Abuse | |
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Jackbauer111111 wrote:
On one hand you say the committee did their job, on the other hand you say ND doesn't have political influence on the committee. So which is it? Those meta rankings tell an amazing story, ND the 6th best team, committee has them 11?!? Consistently ahead of Miami and even more so Alabama. The committee is buyest - bought and paid for by the SEC. They didn't do their job, they saw if they could squeeze another SEC team in everyone with SEC ties gets more money from the playoffs. It's as simple as that. ND did win that Texas AM game, and the committee should've considered that SEC refs absolutely hosed the Irish on the 4th and goal play. 11-1 ND is too good for even the biased committee to ignore. Why aren't more teams independent? Because they're not strong enough to survive on their own. If ND sucks they don't get that conference money like other teams do, win or lose. Maybe it's the language, but I thought I did agree almost to everything you stated, except that I think the committee did their job. Why can't they have done their job AND ND having no influence? They were left out, because of their lack of influence. The conferences did understand they want and need those juicy paychecks from the playoffs, especially the SEC and the BIG10 and they are lobbying for that. And they got most of it. If your bought theory would be 100% true, Texas would be in. You can easily screw also Miami over Texas with the strength of schedule argument. But they did not. But they DID do their job, which was to state, which teams ranked how. You can argue with the results, but they did their job. Regarding the rankings you refer to the meta ranking, fine. But when you look on the single columns you find different ranks for Notre Dame and all other colleges. The meta ranking does just build the average and does not judge the rankings. Way in the past I did research some of them, and some are really complex, some are very easy. There is not real right or wrong, because every ranking does value results differently and there is no system to do such ranking 'correctly'. It's always some sort of 'least error' list based on their measurements. The idea on the meta is, that the average of all rankings might get the sorting 'best', but that's not a must, just hope. The ref did miss the call in the Notre Dame / A&M game, sure, but you can not judge that way a game. Because then every game needs to be judged that way and every decision. That doesn't make sense. Yes, if ND would have won the game, they would be in the playoffs, they were last season and did not win it all, sorry. But this season they had the chance to get into the playoffs again and didn't make it, not because of that missed call, they missed it, because they lost to Miami. |
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| posted: 2025-12-12 21:28:30 (ID: 100195891) Report Abuse | |
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Jackbauer111111 wrote:
Again, if ND joined the SEC, Big 10, ACC, whatever, the conference gets way more money than ND does in that arrangement. So of course everyone wants ND to join a conference, they want a slice of the ND money! Plenty of conference teams don't play in their conference championship (Ole Miss, Oklahoma, etc) ND doesn't need a conference to survive, unlike 99% of college football I think that's waht I said. They did not join, because they get more alone. Fine. But they lose NOW slowly political influence. |
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