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Chrill
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posted: 2024-05-28 18:41:44 (ID: 100184168) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
When you click on ? beside game settings it says "it may be overwritten by playbook"

That's why I was wondering...
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posted: 2024-05-28 18:57:42 (ID: 100184169) Report Abuse
WTF

4:06 3 and 7 to go on own 8, Gabriel Zeman (OC) snaps the ball to Elias Björnsson (QB), Elias Björnsson (QB) selected Gejza Šuba (WR/L) as target, Barney Hartwell (DE/R) breaks through the line, Bohuslav Dostál (FB/C) blocks, Nicky Herrera (MLB) seems to go for the blitz, Elias Björnsson (QB) gets sacked by Nicky Herrera (MLB), 9 yards for loss (I-formation vs. 4-4-3)
4:04 Safety:
4:04 Stepan Havlín (P) kicks the ball from own 20 for 37, Kelly Carden (KR/C) is returning the ball, tackled by Josef Vykydal (G/R), this was a 6 yards return

4:02 1 and 10 to go on own 49, Hristo Kruiswijk (OC) snaps the ball to Vili Bichßel (QB), Vili Bichßel (QB) selected Willy Hyde (WR/L) as target, Martin Škrabal (OLB/L) seems to go for the blitz, this inner left pass is incomplete, overthrown, no progress (Singleback Spread vs. 3-4-4)
3:53 2 and 10 to go on own 49, Hristo Kruiswijk (OC) snaps the ball to Vili Bichßel (QB), Vili Bichßel (QB) selected Rodger Hawes (WR/R) as target, Jaromír Diviš (DE/L) breaks through the line, Zain Chuasiriporn (FB/R) blocks, he passes outer right for 11 yards to him, intercepted by Jae Boynton (CB/L) on the opp 40 (Shotgun 4 WR vs. Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF)

3:51 Jae Boynton (CB/L) returns the ball, Rodger Hawes (WR/R) missed the tackle, Kelly Carden (WR/R) is not able to make the tackle, this was a 60 yards interception return touchdown (Dime 4DL MLB 4CB 2SF vs. Shotgun 4 WR)
3:42 touchdown
3:42 Ball spotted on the 15, Stepan Havlín (K) kicks the ball for the PAT, PAT is good

LOL

H 2 T A G I T 4 Q
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posted: 2024-05-28 19:17:18 (ID: 100184170) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
Since lot of guys like some stats, let me share with you something I calculated today while having some spare time on my work

I took one team in Elite, three seasons in a row to have a good look at a large amount of games, not to judge of one or two games.

Total carries 442 for 2.065 yards for 4,7 per carry (even having in average 14,7% weaker rush off vs opp rush def).
Top 2 (both from this team) in Elite for catching yards:
WR 1: catches 259 for 2.147 yards or 8.3 yards per catch
WR
And with a massive 34-14 WC victory vs team that had 87,3%, 88,4%, 86,4%, 83,9%, 91,9% ratings (his ratings are like averages).
But that was one game, I am not digging into it

Enjoy guys, there are a lot to learn from this


I enjoy everything Dumba brings about in his posts, he knows this. I've (and pderekdactyl before his point-proving exit) already said my piece on the obvious lopsided unrealism that somehow works for offense and there's no counter allowed on defense.

That being said, using team ratings is not a way to rate a team. I had a team in the 60s beating 80s and I was winning games in elite with a payroll under 1m. That's because my team was actually much better than the rating that doesn't count all factors... And that's before you include the obviously important playbook factor.

I'm not saying that information is relevant to the point your trying to make (because I don't think it is here). But team ratings are incredibly unreliable and the only time I look at it is to see if a team is near bot status.
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posted: 2024-05-28 19:45:21 (ID: 100184171) Report Abuse
Rufio13 wrote:
That being said, using team ratings is not a way to rate a team. I had a team in the 60s beating 80s and I was winning games in elite with a payroll under 1m. That's because my team was actually much better than the rating


What were your seasons win/loss scores when you had ratings like that?

Let me see:
4-12? season 40, got relegated
9-7? season 42, got relegated

11-5? season 44, got relegated all ratings above 80%

After season 46 you are a trophy machine with great ratings 😉

This team did not get relegated with same ratings as you had in season 40 & 42. This team got 3 straight PO births.
I haven't seen any other team with those kind of players and those kind of ratings to even survive two straight seasons in Elite, making PO is not even on a horizont for them.

Someone wrote in forum on my post that I should not take any conclussions from one game.

So I took 48 game span. I believe it is enough to make some conclussions.
Or to see some pattern.

Love it or leave it, I said it myself.

But everyone can check those numbers. Numbers don't lie in computer program game. Game is based on numbers.
Unless there is a great random factor 😉

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posted: 2024-05-28 19:47:00 (ID: 100184172) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
Chrill wrote:
jack6 wrote:
B) playbook is the 2nd level, 1st level is game settings.

Huh? If so... how does the playbook overwrite the game settings?


PB is first level.

When you click on ? beside game settings it says "it may be overwritten by playbook"


That’s just a matter on definitions.

My statement is correct, since game setting HAVE to be made and are by that 1. level.
They are always overwritten, if the optional playbook has a rule for that situation. That‘s 2. level.

Of course you can define the numbers different, the mechanism stays.

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posted: 2024-05-28 19:50:24 (ID: 100184173) Report Abuse
And yes, Chrill lost to Chosen ones last season while they had no money no ratings no players.

I lost seasons ago to Buzi when he sold all players playing with 25-30 young guys.

And that is that one game you are talking about, that can happen, that is that one random, one bad day at office (or good for winning team), that one s..t happens.

But when 32 that bad word happens in three seasons, that is not that one day.

That is something that no one can explain. And that has to put some thoughts in your mind.
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posted: 2024-05-28 19:57:27 (ID: 100184174) Report Abuse
jack6 wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:
Chrill wrote:
jack6 wrote:
B) playbook is the 2nd level, 1st level is game settings.

Huh? If so... how does the playbook overwrite the game settings?


PB is first level.

When you click on ? beside game settings it says "it may be overwritten by playbook"


That’s just a matter on definitions.

My statement is correct, since game setting HAVE to be made and are by that 1. level.
They are always overwritten, if the optional playbook has a rule for that situation. That‘s 2. level.

Of course you can define the numbers different, the mechanism stays.



Ok, you are right.

If there is no line in PB that can overwrite game settings team will play game setting rule.
You are right, that is correct definition.

But Chrill and I assumed that PB has covered all aspects of offense and defense (like O believe all great RZA managers have) so game settings are irrelevant.

I apologize to you, my bad, your statement was correct.
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posted: 2024-05-28 20:19:57 (ID: 100184175) Report Abuse
I might not make the list of great RZA managers, but since many seasons I work on offense with mostly game settings.
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posted: 2024-05-28 20:28:49 (ID: 100184176) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
What were your seasons win/loss scores when you had ratings like that?

Let me see:
4-12? season 40, got relegated
9-7? season 42, got relegated

11-5? season 44, got relegated all ratings above 80%

After season 46 you are a trophy machine with great ratings 😉



To be totally transparent. Season 40 I was 3-1 before I decided I had to tone it down. There was no way I was going to stay ahead of the pirates and dragons (even though I had just beat them. Team rating 69.6 vs 81.2) and my team still needed a couple young players so I tanked for a better draft pick.

Season 42 and 44 I was stuck behind the Malones and Pirates. If I'm in basically any other division then I make the playoffs and start my contending many seasons earlier. But the Malones and I decided to be in the same region before we knew Elite existed and it's limited structure for competing with multiple friends.

44 I made the playoffs, and lost to eventual champion Steve on a last second fg, then got relegated anyways. To your point, my team rating was much better by that time.

The point I was making is, there's no way my team was a team rated in the 60s if I'm consistently beating teams in the 80s. So the ratings are misleading and easily 'manipulated'. There hasn't seemed to be many teams like mine, but the Yorkies come to mind as following the same path.
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posted: 2024-05-28 20:56:45 (ID: 100184177) Report Abuse
This rating is just an average of the personnel involved. If a roster has more depth with good and worse players, the rating is of course misleading. But this was told many many times before
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