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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-05-17 07:31:38 (ID: 100104431) Report Abuse |
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Over the time I've been manager in RZA I've seen bits and pieces about zone defense and which D player picks up which O player.
However there has never been a definitive guide for this. I can't find it in jack6' guide either. Did / does something like this exist? Example question would be: who picks up an inner pass from 2WR against a 344 D. |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2017-05-17 12:59:16 (ID: 100104477) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Removed because I was talking nonsense
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2017-05-17 13:54:51 (ID: 100104483) Report Abuse |
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Hmm, I tend to disagree,
MLB for the underneath zone in RL and as most throws in RZA are short, they should have the responsibility. However, if MLB would be responsible for WR going over the middle they would make far more tackles, than they do Lets see: I have a total of 2146 passes in my data that - were to a WR - were inner left or inner right - were against a 3-4-4 Defense Thereof were 1172 Completions (54.6%) just 19 times, the tackle was made by a MLB (1.62%) The Tackles were made by: 739 CBs (63.05%) 276 OLBs (23.55%) 49 SS (4.18%) 45 FS (3.85%) 44 no tackle (3.75%) 19 MLB (1.62%) I can not yet say whether a missed tackle or not was involved and those were the guys who finally made the tackle, not the ones who tried the first tackle. however, 49 passes were picked of thereof: 27 by a MLB 20 by a OLB 2 by a FS So definitely, MLBs are in the passing lane and a threat to pick off the pass. I was surprised that although CBs are clearly at most times the first guy at the receiver, not a single CB picked off a middle pass to a WR |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-05-17 14:51:35 (ID: 100104490) Report Abuse |
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See, this is exactly what I mean. There seems to be a lot of gut feeling about who picks up who but little science.
So the example I gave was just that...an example. What I am looking for is a guide per formation vs formation of who covers which zone. It might not be possible to do that but let's see how far we come... Not sure though how to organise such an effort  |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2017-05-17 14:56:03 (ID: 100104493) Report Abuse |
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There is only one guy, that can do that and you clearly have to get pass length in the matrix.
But we do not know pass length, nearest defender defender being not where is assignment is ..... from the play by play and as much as I know Pete by now, I fear he prefers if we continue to be in the dark  |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2017-05-17 15:00:19 (ID: 100104494) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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This was for SG 2WR Holly, the middle passes will be to TEs, not to WRs.
Do you have data for which defender makes the play when a TE is targetted. I've triued to force my TEs to get more involved in the passing game recently, but it does seem to be a liability, as it bring the MLBs into play much more often than is healthy! Last edited on 2017-05-17 15:03:51 by JonnyP |
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hollyhh2000
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posted: 2017-05-17 15:35:43 (ID: 100104504) Report Abuse |
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I run a text function over the play by play and extract which player is targeted. The a.m. stats were just for targets at WR/L or WR/R on an inner left or inner right pass.
For TEs the interception % is a little bit up and more tackles are made by the OLB However, to make it comparable we probably would need to exclude the missed tackles or do not count the tacklers but the first tackle attempt (is not yet in my spreadsheet) and split it in pass length, as long passes reach the SF level and I think (but have not yet approved with data) that shorter passes tend to lead to more LB tackles vs CB tackles (those annoying 1 yard TE completions on 3rd and 6) The data for TEs: I have a total of 2161 passes in my data that - were to a TE - were inner left or inner right - were against a 3-4-4 Defense Thereof were 1149 Completions (53.2%) just 19 times, the tackle was made by a MLB (1.62%) The Tackles were made by: 569 OLBs (49.52%) 430 CBs (37.42%) 78 SS ( 6.79%) 26 FS ( 2.26%) 25 no tackle (2.18%) 21 MLB (1.83%) I can not yet say whether a missed tackle or not was involved and those were the guys who finally made the tackle, not the ones who tried the first tackle. 63 passes were picked of thereof: 42 by a MLB 21 by a OLB |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2017-05-17 15:52:13 (ID: 100104508) Report Abuse |
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I stand corrected then!
What we can glean from this is that MLBs are lazy glory hunters, who go for the pick sixes, but let the OLBs and CBs do all the hard graft |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2017-05-17 19:18:31 (ID: 100104522) Report Abuse |
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I feel a side project for myself coming. Perhaps creating a db with all Elite games of one season where people can run their own analysis on. A bit like my Game Analyser but with a database attached to it....
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