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| posted: 2019-04-09 18:52:47 (ID: 100138567) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
If you don't have 4 teams per region in Elite then it means teams would have to move region. Pete said before creating the Elite that it would not happen. post=100031562 quote for you since you seem to like them so much Did you notice it was in 2014 ? Now, it's 2019 and we're discussing about "Restructuring the league". Yes, I really love quotes, much more than bending the truth. 
posted: 2014-05-07 21:14:02 (ID: 100031562) Pete :"From the math point: same league: yes same conference: possible, but not sure same division: very unlikely" So, according to your quote, with your own words Pete said : "If you don't have 4 teams per region in Elite then it means teams would have to move region." ?  |
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posted: 2019-04-09 19:01:38 (ID: 100138568) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Elite up and down stays the same. if you have to go down, you were not good enough, despite your quite cool record |
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| posted: 2019-04-09 19:08:59 (ID: 100138569) Report Abuse | |
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Meitheisman wrote:
posted: 2014-05-07 21:14:02 (ID: 100031562) Pete :"From the math point: same league: yes same conference: possible, but not sure same division: very unlikely" posted: 2018-12-23 07:46:01 (ID: 100135390) Pete : "Elite up and down stays the same. if you have to go down, you were not good enough, despite your quite cool record" That makes 2 quotes, right ? Which one means : Meitheisman wrote:If you don't have 4 teams per region in Elite then it means teams would have to move region. Pete said before creating the Elite that it would not happen.
You know what ? We're going to fight somewhere else, ok ? Feel free to start the fight, I'll be back later. |
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posted: 2019-04-10 17:04:32 (ID: 100138634) Report Abuse |
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linkleo911 wrote:
Meitheisman wrote:
Comparing records from different divisions isn't fair, it's like saying in the Spanish league a team stayed with 30pts but in Italy a team was relegated with 40pts. But we do this all the time when it comes to wildcard. So I can not see the problem in doing such thing when we are talking about relegation. True but when you lose a wildcard game you don't get relegated. The season is almost over. So you just have a couple more games to find the bowl winner and then everyone is in to preparing for the next season. When you are playing in Elite and your team is below the 'required' level you spend 3 months of your time losing games before being relegated again. How can this be enjoyable? Elite has become a club for the top teams who never get relegated plus a few newcomers who just get a look in the door and then get kicked out 3 months later. I am not against having an elite club per se - it's just that currently the Elite teams have 16 whipping boys to eke out their enjoyment over 3 months. The only real competition is which of the few really elite teams can win the bowl. |
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| posted: 2019-04-19 11:52:04 (ID: 100139038) Report Abuse | |
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Captain Jack wrote:
When you are playing in Elite and your team is below the 'required' level you spend 3 months of your time losing games before being relegated again. How can this be enjoyable? I totally agree. This season alone we are losing three of our best Seadevil teams (one for eventually other reasons - we had no time to exchange). One other former Elite manager decided to stay for the moment.We have talked about it and the frustration of everyone is just what you just said. We see it again and again. A manager is able to promote his team to Elite for the first time. He starts losing, gives up on the Elte season and loses all joy with this game. and then they leave. Just as you I don't mind other teams being stronger than mine. This is part of the game. But the fact of us "Seadevils" not being able to steal Elite spots from any toher region diminishes the joy. If 16 Elite teams need to be delegated, it's already a lot. But at least, if these were the weaker 16 it would make all more sense. I can imagine how motivated all of our top managers would be to get 4 or even 10 places in Elite. This would be a total game changer. |
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posted: 2019-04-19 14:50:50 (ID: 100139039) Report Abuse |
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One Magic League on top of Elite, 16 teams , 2 conferences, 4 divisions will fix all the issues.....top 8 actual Elite get promotion in each conference...
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| posted: 2019-04-19 14:54:10 (ID: 100139040) Report Abuse | |
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I guess the question I have - - is the elite league really the cause of people leaving? I don't know.
I have some experience running games similar to RZA - - I think the turnover is just really high. Obviously the more compelling a game you create, the stickier the players. But pace of life, desire for change, always a newer/fresh option etc. all erode player longevity. Steve SD Blitz |
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| posted: 2019-04-19 15:22:40 (ID: 100139041) Report Abuse | |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
I guess the question I have - - is the elite league really the cause of people leaving? I don't know. I have some experience running games similar to RZA - - I think the turnover is just really high. Obviously the more compelling a game you create, the stickier the players. But pace of life, desire for change, always a newer/fresh option etc. all erode player longevity. Steve SD Blitz I believe the structure is the cause. As many have said before, it is rare to have your league level where you have lots of competitive matches per season. In my regular season I have two when in 1.1. For the other matches the question is the difference in points and will my defence be able to keep the other team scoreless. In our league we have some teams similar to mine.We have two types of managers leaving : 1. Fresh managers coming to 1.1 after a season of beating bots. Once here they are the ones to take the beating. Some stay, some go. I will say this is part of the game and without a real human second league it is understandable. 2. Managers coming back from Elite. Solihull Moors, Gotham City Bats, vipers, Winchester Lions, Mombasa Lions, Cool Runnings, Firenze Foxes, The Red Star Goats, Notown Mystics, Dalton Catamounts, SV Montagnars,. As you notice I could have named two other ones but Lucea and Barmbek went out for other reasons. sure there is my team, there is Idrosburghi Verona, there is Naprzód Marsz!, Constanta Sailors,Marife-Lacion, Dortmund Griffins, DC Washingtonians, Baltimore Ravens and, of course, Michigan State Spartans who all stayed. But the percentage of teams losing their heart for the game while being in elite is rather high. I know I was about to quit when up there and seeing I could not stay with Leeds and the Spartans being too dominant. So I tanked three times mid-season renewing my team and making sure I would get a good spot for the draft. This can't be the season goal. |
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posted: 2019-04-19 18:23:13 (ID: 100139042) Report Abuse |
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I think the bigger problem Elite causes is that it consumes too many teams from the 1.1 leagues, and many of the 1.1. leagues are lacking good teams. After getting relegated from Elite to Fire 1 last season, I slept through most of the regular season, went 14-2 and find myself back in Elite with minimal effort last season. When the 1.1 leagues are lacking adequate competition, the game is less fun for most of the players.
This is drastic, but I'd be in favor of shrinking Elite to 8 teams, one from each league, creating two 4-team conferences. Each AC team would play each other 4x and then play each NC 1x (16 games). The bottom two teams in each division would be auto-relegated by the corresponding League Bowl winner and the other two teams would play a relegation game with their corresponding League Bowl winner. All teams in Elite would make the playoffs, but there would be no wild card round. On the other end of the spectrum, I would propose no team can qualify for League 1 until they've spent two full seasons in League 2 (I realize in some leagues, this would mean having bots in League 1 while having human players in League 2, but for the long-term health of the game, I think this is a necessary trade off). While many of the changes to the game have made it easier for new teams to acquire better talent, there still is a learning curve on other aspects of managing a team, chiefly tinkering with the PB. I think too many new teams are getting thrown into League 1 before they are ready creating a lot of frustration and ultimately players who don't last. |
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posted: 2019-04-19 19:19:42 (ID: 100139044) Report Abuse |
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I totally agree with the points you made about Elite and a qualification period before promotion to 1.1
Already the new team in my divison (with myself and the Leopards) has had two big beatings. He must be wondering what to do next. With the Aliens and Leopards in the same division as him he has a nightmare already plus many of the other 1.1 teams are stronger than his. He must be feeling exactly the same that those of us who are promoted to Elite feel - i.e. it is a waste of 3 months of real life! Either the Elite league should be abandoned, the number of teams slashed to 16 and play as per the Scottish Premier League do or managers should ahve the optyion to opt out of promotion from 1.1 prchaser wrote:
I think the bigger problem Elite causes is that it consumes too many teams from the 1.1 leagues, and many of the 1.1. leagues are lacking good teams. After getting relegated from Elite to Fire 1 last season, I slept through most of the regular season, went 14-2 and find myself back in Elite with minimal effort last season. When the 1.1 leagues are lacking adequate competition, the game is less fun for most of the players. This is drastic, but I'd be in favor of shrinking Elite to 8 teams, one from each league, creating two 4-team conferences. Each AC team would play each other 4x and then play each NC 1x (16 games). The bottom two teams in each division would be auto-relegated by the corresponding League Bowl winner and the other two teams would play a relegation game with their corresponding League Bowl winner. All teams in Elite would make the playoffs, but there would be no wild card round. On the other end of the spectrum, I would propose no team can qualify for League 1 until they've spent two full seasons in League 2 (I realize in some leagues, this would mean having bots in League 1 while having human players in League 2, but for the long-term health of the game, I think this is a necessary trade off). While many of the changes to the game have made it easier for new teams to acquire better talent, there still is a learning curve on other aspects of managing a team, chiefly tinkering with the PB. I think too many new teams are getting thrown into League 1 before they are ready creating a lot of frustration and ultimately players who don't last. |
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