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Atzucat
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posted: 2020-05-21 14:51:18 (ID: 100149323) Report Abuse |
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No, managers can't choose which league to go to.
The game would place them (an idea) following the order "the best team to the worst league" (1&2 teams at 8 league, 3&4 teams at 7 league, ...) and with this system balance the level of the Leagues in the next seasons. |
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PJRAVENS
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posted: 2020-05-21 15:09:15 (ID: 100149324) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Thank you Atzucat.
Now I understood you and Captain Jack posted two different suggestion. Your suggestion now is clear to me. Captain Jack suggested instead to remove elite and allow teams to change regions. The goal is not clear to me. Last edited on 2020-05-21 15:10:31 by PJRAVENS |
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| posted: 2020-05-21 15:54:21 (ID: 100149326) Report Abuse | |
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Clarification to start. I have no issue with elite or the regular league system in general, as I know my team isn't ready to compete and would be happy to go 1-15 in elite.
Just throwing out an idea, it would take longer to ascend, but the leagues would likely be more competitive and still retain rivalries. Instead of 8 branching leagues, go with a single league format dropping down to division 8 or however many are needed. But just like elite have each individual division be connected. So Monarchs could still exist as the NC North, it would just exist as that in Elite, D1, D2, D3 all the way down. You'd still be in a division with your rivals, and there would be much more balanced leagues throughout. For those wanting a quick rise to the top, it wouldn't be possible as you'd have to pass through 6+ seasons and that's assuming you win each year. Pros - More balanced competition, more opportunities to play other league members, still retain rivalries. Cons - Longer trip to the top, Need to be more strategic with player ages planning for longer term success, only 4 "rivals" in a league at one time. |
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| posted: 2020-05-21 16:44:49 (ID: 100149327) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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Atzucat wrote:
I guess Pete knew where he was going when he created Elite: A super-league with the best teams from the "normal" leagues. I think the problem is wanting to keep the origin when the regular league is over. You come from Dragons, from Claymore or from any other and you must return to the same League. Are you sure that's the best option? Would it be a tragedy if a promoted Fire or Sea Devils had to go down to Thunder or Admirals? Why? Elite was the result of a poll and a long discussion, AFAIR. To answer that question: I would dislike getting promoted from Galaxy and get relegated to another region. Maintaining regions is important to me. But that's just my take. Last edited on 2020-05-21 16:45:31 by pete |
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| posted: 2020-05-21 18:00:08 (ID: 100149330) Report Abuse | |
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Captain Jack wrote:
PJRAVENS wrote:
I can understand why Captain Jack doesn't like to play in Elite… there are plenty of teams better than mine too. What I cannot undestand is why he think in Monarchs 1 all the teams at the moment weaker than his should be pleased to play against him next season after he got a 16-0. If Elite did not exist Salt City Pirates and Black Dragons would go back in Monarchs 1. It would be different? I agree with your comments and share the same feelings about my fellow monarchs teams. That is why I have argued in the past for an improvement to teams starting up. This is probably more important now as we have newer teams coming up into Div 1 rapidly. Again they have had it easy playing bots in Div 2 which gives them no help at all in building up a team and game plan to compete in Div 1. What we need is a more level playing field overall. Getting rid of the Elite would be the first step on the path. In my opinion we ought to be looking towards a way to level the playing field rather than trying to keep the status quo. A small step towards this was my suggestion of allowing all teams to pick another league to which they could transfer. Not perfect but it would be a step in the right direction. Sorry, but I was there when no elite was there and it was not much different then today, maybe more frustrating in level 1, since there were maybe 2 or 3 teams competitive and the rest lost in the playoffs over and over again. Ask our few fellows still there from that time, Hornets and Panthers for example. It was more or less always a playoff stop. Now the heavier teams are in Elite and the winners of level 1 will have to play against them every season or 2, but in the past, every season. THAT was the reason it was created in the 1st place to stop that. The problem is, too few managers now, which means, a very steep learning curve. Fewer regions and or fewer promotions/relegations would likely help, but as it seems, it not that easy to get that, to impossible. So, we are doomed.  |
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pderekdactyl
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posted: 2020-05-21 18:12:40 (ID: 100149331) Report Abuse |
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Rufio13 wrote:
Pros - More balanced competition, more opportunities to play other league members, still retain rivalries. Cons - Longer trip to the top, Need to be more strategic with player ages planning for longer term success, only 4 "rivals" in a league at one time. I also have no particular issue with the current set up, but ... Pretty much all of the Pros without any of the Cons could be accomplished by adding a stepping stone league between current level 1 and Elite. It would also be a lot less of an overhaul. Elite Not Quite Elite 8 Different Level 1 8 Different Level 2, etc The first season the Not Quite Elite League would be made up of the two teams being relegated from Elite plus the two teams that lost the conference championships. In subsequent seasons, the promotion from level 1 leagues to Not Quite Elite would act exactly like it does now between level 1 and Elite. The way I see it working is each division winner from Not Quite Elite would get promoted and the fourth place finisher from each division in Elite would get relegated. If more movement was desired than second place finisher of each division in Not Quite Elite could promote as well and the third place finisher in each division of Elite would get relegated. My personal preference would be for there to be a relegation match between these two teams. This should ease the transition into Elite, balance out the competition everywhere else, and provide familiarity to the current set up. Also, Not Quite Elite would need a much cooler name. |
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dumpling
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posted: 2020-05-21 18:27:16 (ID: 100149333) Report Abuse |
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If the aim is to get teams of similar standard playing each other then the pyramid of leagues for promotion and relegation just needs amending
Elite - 1 league - Top 32 teams Not quite Elite - 2 leagues - Teams 33 to 96 1st Div - 4 leagues - Teams 97 to 192 2nd Div - 4 leagues - Teams 193 to 288 etc |
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Atzucat
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posted: 2020-05-21 19:02:02 (ID: 100149334) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Elite was the result of a poll and a long discussion, AFAIR. To answer that question: I would dislike getting promoted from Galaxy and get relegated to another region. Maintaining regions is important to me. But that's just my take. Exactly. And this is why Elite is a League different from the others, with unfair and inexplicable situations from a sports point of view. Teams with 5/11 can maintain the category and others with 10/6 descend, for example. I understand that the different "universes" are important, a team chooses Galaxy or Dragons and it is their entire sports life. That would have its logic if the Leagues were NEVER mixed, when introducing Elite they wanted to mix "water with oil" (catalan expression) and that never works. Either we accept the sports injustices that have occurred, are occurring and will occur or we will rethink how to solve it. And there are solutions.  |
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pderekdactyl
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posted: 2020-05-21 19:22:12 (ID: 100149335) Report Abuse |
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dumpling wrote:
If the aim is to get teams of similar standard playing each other then the pyramid of leagues for promotion and relegation just needs amending Elite - 1 league - Top 32 teams Not quite Elite - 2 leagues - Teams 33 to 96 1st Div - 4 leagues - Teams 97 to 192 2nd Div - 4 leagues - Teams 193 to 288 etc I agree that your structure balances parity better. There are two reasons my initial post had one Not Quite Elite league. First one was to maintain region communities and rivalries. Second was because I thought (maybe incorrectly) that it would be easier and therefore more likely to be implemented than a more dramatic change. Personal preference can vary on how much weight those factors should get. |
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posted: 2020-05-22 01:35:46 (ID: 100149336) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:Maintaining regions is important to me. But that's just my take.
Perhaps we could discuss this question in a form of a poll. I for one like playing with my Fire rivals (though I am excited for the challenge of my first promotion to Elite), but I would 100% support a change in league structure that would benefit the entire game for the purpose of having competition for teams that are in that in-between stage that the Not Quite Elite suggestion came out of, and I would definitely keep playing if regions were taken out of the equation. Some managers don't feel the same way, and would maybe quit if regions were taken away. I, and probably many of the others contributing to this discussion, don't want to create a situation where we take away regions for the purpose of more fair competition, only to lose say half of our managers in the process. I propose this: we take a poll to determine how many managers would stay with a change in league structure, and move from there. If we would lose a significant amount of our managers, we keep things how they are; if we would keep a significant majority of our managers, we start to talk about making changes to league structure. If the answer is yes, I would like to propose this method of transitioning (or something similar) to a new league structure: 1. 1st season of the restructure process - - Add the Not Quite Elite league, as proposed earlier with proposed relegation/promotion process. 2. 2nd season of restructure - - Add another league at that same level to fill out that part of the pyramid. 3. 3rd season of restructure - - Reduce amount of current D1 leagues to 4, evening out that level of the pyramid (some teams may need to be relegated to D2). 4. 4th season of restructure - - Reduce amount of current D2 leagues to amount needed, up to 8. Jack6 has proposed this in the past, and I think it's a good idea. This ensures (hopefully) that the newer managers of this game are playing against other human teams. If all 8 D2 leagues are filled, then this proposal would be about D3. 5. 5th season of restructure - - Change relegation/promotion in upper leagues. 4th place of each division in Elite league would automatically relegate, and all teams that reach the conference championship game automatically promote to Elite. 3rd place in each Elite division would stay. Relegation/promotion between Not Quite Elite and D1 would have 4th place in each division relegating from Not Quite Elite, and D1 conference champions promote to Not Quite Elite. Imo this would definitely be the greatest discussion point for me. There are lots of ways in which this could be improved, I'm sure. I think this would be an ideal way to change league structure because it would not be too much change too fast. We have seen in real life how this can lead to disaster (cough cough French Revolution cough cough), so I think gradual change would be the best way to implement what will turn out to be this major change. Sorry this was a lot and kind of random but it's just my two cents worth. |
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