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| posted: 2021-04-21 01:53:16 (ID: 100158608) Report Abuse | |
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So I've been watching this Super League fall apart over the last few days as it was close to a sure thing (reportedly) a few days ago. Just wondering what the European perspective on this was?
Obviously, a lot of the momentum behind this came from American multi-sport owners like Stan Kroenke, John Henry and the Glazers. Not sure if they misread the sentiment in Europe or there were other factors. Thanks, Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2021-04-21 07:38:41 (ID: 100158618) Report Abuse |
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Simple.
European football, and I'm calling it football on purpose because we do not call it soccer, is defined by the idea of aspiration. People for the most part follow their local club. Through rain and shine. Because of aspirations and dreams. This is due to the league system, with promotion and relegation. No matter how remote the possibility, the opportunity is there for any team to make a miraculous climb through the divisions. Wimbledon did it in the 1980s for example. Tiny Burton Albion did something similar in more recent times. The ESL would have made the highest echelons a closed shop. It was arrogant and greedy. Most importantly it would have destroyed the aspirations of most of the people who matter.... the fans. |
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posted: 2021-04-21 07:50:05 (ID: 100158619) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
So I've been watching this Super League fall apart over the last few days as it was close to a sure thing (reportedly) a few days ago. Just wondering what the European perspective on this was? Obviously, a lot of the momentum behind this came from American multi-sport owners like Stan Kroenke, John Henry and the Glazers. Not sure if they misread the sentiment in Europe or there were other factors. Thanks, Steve SD Blitz Basically Steve - they have no concept of the traditions of proper football it's open competition between teams of different levels, the romance of local derbies, the passion of international club competitions and most of all the loyalty of the fans. It is not a sport that can become a closed shop like the NFL, NBA, NHL or MLB it requires the competition to be totally open so even the lowliest player has that dream of their moment of fame playing for their local club against the big boys and that is also why it is the biggest and best sporting product in the world which should not have it's financial future tied up in such a small number of so called super clubs. |
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| posted: 2021-04-21 07:51:30 (ID: 100158620) Report Abuse | |
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I'm a Millwall fan (don't google it if you're in the USA, it'll only come up with violence) and all we have is optimism. In the Championship (the league below the Premier) they are one of the 5 teams with easily the lowest budget but will finish just outside the playoffs. Luton are safe, Coventry should be, Rotherham and Wycombe looked doomed for the drop but as things stand Barnsley are in the playoffs. That would never happen in a "super" league which is based only on money. There is no thought of the fans at all, they are seen as customers. I have extremely limited interest in the Premier but absolutely none at all in a "super" league. I would never take any notice of it, let alone watch it.
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| posted: 2021-04-21 09:29:44 (ID: 100158624) Report Abuse | |
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I'm not a football fan, so my view is totally outside the fan-based view.
The concept of the Super-League did look like to build something similar as the NFL based on local, in the fast decades ver successful, teams. From my point of view not a bad strategy, but it should have been more included inside the traditional FIFA/UEFA structure. How, I can't tell, but the way they did it now was just over the top to get positiv reviews. I would have loved to actually see it happen, just out of curiosity what FIFA/UEFA would do with such a big shot league as competition against their regular competitions. If you look at the current structure of euro football, all play in some sort of monopol league structure with almost no room to work with, with financial parameters more or less set, expect you get a big time sponsor to change the local parameters and to get a foot into the big money buckets. From my point of view the super league might have changed that a bit, but right now the competion is more or less dead, at least loacally. But overall, I could not care less whether the league flies or not. Regarding tradition and connections I think if the clubs would offer an entertaining product the league would be accepted, maybe not from the hardcore fas, but from those who likes to see the sport on highest level. But ... I did get a meal in a restaurant without a TV, during Germany playing for the World Cup last time we were in the final, so I'm sooooo far away.  |
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posted: 2021-04-21 10:20:15 (ID: 100158627) Report Abuse |
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A few years ago Jack, my opinion would have been similar. My interest in football decreased with the forming of the Premier League, and the fact that our media became saturated with football - getting ever worse with the expansion of the Champions League.
But recently I learned the other side of it... through my own family. I'm the father of a very determined 16 year old daughter. When she was 7 she showed that determination through an explosive temper. So we decided to give her some discipline through martial arts. Within a year she was winning medals in local tournaments. By the age of 10 she was fighting in big events, and at 13 she was invited to take part in an Elite Development Scheme - at 14 she was ranked 3rd in Britain. But then came school, and exams. Judo was not available as part of the PE qualification, so she had to take up new sports. Due to time constraints she sadly pulled out of the British Judo Squad, to be able to divide her time with these new activities. One of these was football. She joined a local girls team. With no previous experience in the game she relied purely on her determination and the strength and athleticism from her Judo. After just a couple of games she was asked to play for the County Schools team. She now plays for Sutton Coldfield Town Under 17s, and was the 1st girl in that youth team to be asked to join their senior squad. This is Tier 5 of British Women's Football. They are a small club, but they have big aspirations, after all - they are just 4 promotions away from playing Manchester United and Chelsea! And for me, I've seen her aspirations and her progress, and the support she has got from enthusiastic, passionate people who also share her aspirations. It has reignited my interest in the game as a whole. I still have no love for the highest echelons of the game though - instead I'll be spending my Sundays watching Tier 5 Womens Football, and it is great! |
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| posted: 2021-04-21 11:15:33 (ID: 100158629) Report Abuse | |
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But with maybe 20 teams pulling out of the usual relegate/promote cycles and playing in a distinct environment, almost nothing changes.
Sure, likely the 6 top teams would be gone. But their spots would be filled by other teams and then all what differs is, that there are 20 teams which will likely buy the best players available in the world. But that's not that much. And as a player, the dream to play highest / best football would still exist, there is just another step available with some side effects maybe, but it's there. The whole fan reaction do sound like the league would crush the whole system. I doubt that. That the long time fans what their teams to stay, I understand they don't like it, but there rest is from my point of view just crying being afraid of a change. |
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posted: 2021-04-21 11:34:14 (ID: 100158632) Report Abuse |
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What of the 'normal' fans though... How will they afford to travel to away fixtures in other countries?
I'm not a fan of the current Champions League, it's too big, too lengthy, and too much of a burden. Adding a European Super League will only make that worse. If you look at the response to the proposals, the fans LIKE the variety and unpredictability, the travelling to smaller clubs for away game. Plus there is the closed nature of the proposed Super League. Leicester defied the odds and rose to the top in recent years, and yet they were not invited - the teams they have been beating were. And that's simply due to money. |
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| posted: 2021-04-21 11:53:37 (ID: 100158634) Report Abuse | |
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A part of me (the vindictive side) would like to see the threat of financial penalty by the "super" league against the teams that have withdrawn happen. Money down the drain.
However, this whole episode could be seen as tarring all of football with the same brush. And that would be really underserved for the majority of people who support the majority of football from the grass roots up. There are countless numbers of people in the background helping youngsters to achieve their aspirations. The players who've made it to the top of the game didn't get there alone. Without the grass roots there would be no elite. Hopefully the stakeholders who have ignored their "customers" will eventually remember this. |
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posted: 2021-04-21 15:32:26 (ID: 100158638) Report Abuse |
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I think there should be a clear difference between amateur sport and professional sport.
Federations should focus on promoting the Sport among all fans, of all ages, sex or level. And then there should be structures in Professional Sports (Premier League, La Liga, NFL, NBA, etc, etc ...) that manage these Businesses at all levels. And I say Business, not Sport. In this (in other things not) the USA has it very well organized, in Europe the Federations want it all. And I think they have the losing battle. 
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