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Captain Jack
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posted: 2022-07-06 11:13:43 (ID: 100167999) Report Abuse |
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You will notice that my team financial situation is not good! I make no secret of the fact that we are bankrupt. I accept that this is due to my negligence of time spent on the game. However, my problem is that the warnings are too late for meaningful action. So my proposal is that warnings are received earlier and that prohibitions are put in place to limit spending once the warning is issued.
Unfortunately my time has been very full recently and I could not spend as much time on the game as I would wish. I just state that so that you know I have not been unduly lazy. As you know I have been with this game for a few years now. So what have I done? I was aware that my finances were not good but looking at the forecasts I thought I could survive this season and that during it I would reduce my expenditure. In fact I have been working on this for a couple of seasons as I could see my balance going down. So the first thing I did was to allow players to retire and cut my squad to 55. I have also tried to keep training under control but sometimes this is tricky. If you fail to log on almost daily it is easy for skills to creep too high. (It might be useful to have a way to set a limit after which training would not happen for that skill on that player). After receiving the 1st warning I put players on the TM but no one was interested. I demolished facilities inc the Premium YA (cutting my youth players in the bargain). But that is not enough I cannot avoid receiving the 3rd warning. There is not enough time to respond. I have not bought any players on the TM (in fact I hardly do anyway). I cannot terminate contracts because that will cost me money and make my current situation worse. My stadium goes into disrepair, so fewer seats, less income. I cannot fully pledge to the mediacenter, so less income. So I just have to bite the bullet and take my punishment. But my point is that we need this warning to be sent earlier and set at a higher level. As it stands at the moment I defy anyone to be able to rescue their team in this situation. I had pledged some money to the mediacentre. My argument is that this should have been blocked when my finances were low. (This would not have saved me but would have eased the situation). Similarly other financial transactions (TM, increasing wages etc) should be blocked. I have done none of these but some managers might. If I had not been playing for years I would be quitting right now and I suspect others who had not been around for long would do the same. So to help keep people in I propose that a) Warning Messages are sent earlier b) The amount of income is set higher (it should not be when it is below zero or -500,000 as at present) c) Other financial spending should be blocked. d) not totally connected with the above but as I said earlier it might be useful to have a way to set a limit on training after which training would not happen for that skill on that player. I offer these thoughts in the hope that it might save other newer managers from quitting. If you are going to reply saying that I need to spend more time on the game, stop being lazy etc please save your breath. I have spent as much time as I possibly could. I am hoping for support to perhaps keep managers in the game. |
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| posted: 2022-07-06 11:36:00 (ID: 100168000) Report Abuse | |
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All is true.
It was discussed a few times, how to react on those warnings and what to do when the hammers starts falling, but no changes so far. I'm not going to say 'spend more time in the game' since live is how it is. Such a management game as this needs propper tools to keep things in check, so a training limit would help for sure, to avoid such a situation or to slow the procress a bit. But the worst thing right now is, that you can not recover without making even more minus. I would guess you could easily recover if you get rid of 10-15 players, since they would save you likely 2 mio per update, if not more. But to get rid of those, you need to fire them and pay the price, which gives you even more minus which will lead to a even harder recovery time. So, THIS process has to be changed. Of cause there needs to be some exploit stop process. My suggestion on this would be to - half the price of firing - put that dept of firing into a different account and certain processes, like transfer market are halted until that account is at zero. As effect the manager would still have to pay a price and is limited for some time, but is faster in recovery without cripling the team too much. |
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| posted: 2022-07-06 11:45:15 (ID: 100168001) Report Abuse | |
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Lots of discussions about it. I remember suggesting a "reset button" (something like declaring bankruptcy). The manager could use it once and start over but with some restrictions for a certain time (maybe an entire season - 78 days). I think this could be the last option after all warnings and actions.
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| posted: 2022-07-06 11:49:27 (ID: 100168002) Report Abuse | |
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I have never posted here and am very new, but going through the same type of stuff now as well. As a new player, I will say that I did see the financial warnings in the forecast, but we start with so much money and the game is deceptively complicated in regards to forecasting.
I just wanted to add to this conversation because it is frustrating to get started, think you are headed in the right direction by adding quality players, only to find out a couple of seasons later that you screwed your team up long ago in your first season. I made roster cuts and incurred penalties for those cuts, desperately trying to save my team from financial ruin.That is what put me below $0. Then after I went bankrupt, I started losing players. I realized that when players walk away on their own, there are no penalties! I could have prevented myself from digging such a deep hole had I known that. I would have just waited for expensive players to leave my team. Now I am over $30 million in the hole and have to wait before I can enjoy the game again. It may be several seasons before I recover and get close to where I was competitively. My suggestion is to make that information more available to new players. I read through that manual like a madman and could not find where it states that players leaving of their own accord do not incur roster payroll penalties. By the way, I am not quitting. Look out for me in season 100! |
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2022-07-06 12:14:26 (ID: 100168005) Report Abuse |
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Good points Boa Tek. I forgot to mention that even after many years playing I could not read the financial forecasts well. I had loads of money and thought I could just slow down my spending gradually.
Also you mention about the long term. I hadn't fully considered that but now thinking of it you are right. It is going to take ages to recover. So like you I am going to be spending time 'just going through the motions' of playing this game but not enjoying it because there will be little or nothing that I can do. |
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| posted: 2022-07-06 18:13:14 (ID: 100168012) Report Abuse | |
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Would it help if we get rid of the contract penalty in case the bankroll is in the minus at the point of firing a player? This is a condition that I could match easily, and within minutes.
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| posted: 2022-07-06 19:56:58 (ID: 100168014) Report Abuse | |
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I am against of any easy way to help managers who can't handle their finances.
It is unfair to rest of us who let great players go (like I let my starting QB and sell my all star LB) to avoid loss per season. All managers when they are in trouble are trying to sell players they not need that much, not the players that are valuable to them. Let them sell their great prospects, let them earn money that way. This is manager game, let them be managers. |
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Captain Jack
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posted: 2022-07-06 20:22:53 (ID: 100168015) Report Abuse |
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Maybe you didn't read my original post properly. Some of us have committments in life. We don't just live for this game. Have you heard of work, study, family and Covid?
What I am suggesting is that we be given earlier and proper warning. Getting a warning when you are in the red is no help at all. Did you not read the post from a new manager who got into trouble because the rules were not clear to him? Or is he just stupid? Maybe I'll get a divorce, quit my job and spend all day on RZA like you seem to do. Or better still why don't I just quit RZA. Please advise! Dumbarajko wrote:
I am against of any easy way to help managers who can't handle their finances. It is unfair to rest of us who let great players go (like I let my starting QB and sell my all star LB) to avoid loss per season. All managers when they are in trouble are trying to sell players they not need that much, not the players that are valuable to them. Let them sell their great prospects, let them earn money that way. This is manager game, let them be managers. |
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| posted: 2022-07-06 21:16:09 (ID: 100168016) Report Abuse | |
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Rules are changed in games all the time. We could argue about whether it is making the game easier now, or whether the game was just easier back then. It won't improve the game experience though, which I felt was one of the strengths of this game when I started playing. Big shout out to Pete for developing such a fun game too!
What I suggested was just better communication to new managers about what happens when you do dip in the red. I would not have cut the players I did, dig a huge financial hole due to penalties and sacrifice developing new talent for an entire season had I known that there were no penalties for the player walking away after you go into the red. By the way, if the academy players are not drawing a salary, why are they on strike and refusing to train? 
Anywho, trying to shame Capt. Jack or anyone else is not productive imo. That's just my two cents. No more posting for me. Good luck to everyone and I will see you on the field! |
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| posted: 2022-07-06 21:21:56 (ID: 100168017) Report Abuse | |
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BoaTek wrote:No more posting for me. too bad |
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