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| posted: 2022-07-07 20:12:27 (ID: 100168035) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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I believe that 90% of managers plegde in mediacenter (probably more but lets say 90%).
I also believe that 95% of that 90% do that in preseason to get early bonus. So, Pete gave us Forecast page, which give you idea where you will be at the end of the season with your finances. That Forecast page is just 4 rows above Mediacenter. So manager can with just one more click in pre season can be aware where he will end up that season in worst case, because income for mediacenter, friendly games and fanshop are not included in forecast. If that one click is to much work to do, then that manager should not play this game, because he wants to play it on auto pilot mode. Just one click and you can see where you will end up, one click!!! Once again, I let my 600k wage starting QB go, I sold my 600k wage all star MLB to avoid situation going in red. Did I risk my season 48 with those moves? Yes I did, but that is manager job, to take steps that are not popular. Let players run out their contracts and not renew them to save money, sell best prospects to earn money... Just not try to find easy way out. For me FORECAST page is warning that is always there, every second of every day, just look at it. Last edited on 2022-07-07 20:13:35 by Dumbarajko |
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| posted: 2022-07-07 20:51:25 (ID: 100168036) Report Abuse | |
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I dont disagree with your points but your tone is harsh in most posts, much like this one. I dont think most disagree with many things you say but they feel defensive because you are typically hostile. Just my opinion.
Dumbarajko wrote:
I believe that 90% of managers plegde in mediacenter (probably more but lets say 90%). I also believe that 95% of that 90% do that in preseason to get early bonus. So, Pete gave us Forecast page, which give you idea where you will be at the end of the season with your finances. That Forecast page is just 4 rows above Mediacenter. So manager can with just one more click in pre season can be aware where he will end up that season in worst case, because income for mediacenter, friendly games and fanshop are not included in forecast. If that one click is to much work to do, then that manager should not play this game, because he wants to play it on auto pilot mode. Just one click and you can see where you will end up, one click!!! Once again, I let my 600k wage starting QB go, I sold my 600k wage all star MLB to avoid situation going in red. Did I risk my season 48 with those moves? Yes I did, but that is manager job, to take steps that are not popular. Let players run out their contracts and not renew them to save money, sell best prospects to earn money... Just not try to find easy way out. For me FORECAST page is warning that is always there, every second of every day, just look at it. |
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| posted: 2022-07-07 21:14:27 (ID: 100168037) Report Abuse | |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I dont disagree with your points but your tone is harsh in most posts, much like this one. I dont think most disagree with many things you say but they feel defensive because you are typically hostile. Just my opinion. I don't see any hostile words or hostile tone, I just wrote some facts. And all the time just talking that we play manager game and that all of us should act like one if we want to play this great game. RZA give us so much chances and warnings to stay in green and if you are not willing to look at them or just trying to skip them then you really need to pay price for that. And that price is being in red for season of two. And one more fact for this thread. Couple of seasons ago I sold my 19 years old 50 strength and 50 speed guy to earn some money to stay green. Best prospect I ever had. Probably that guy will be star for next 8-10 years in his team, maybe making a difference that will win matches for his team. But for me that was a great move giving my team good cash flow that season. So if you want to find a way to survive in RZA you will find it. |
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| posted: 2022-07-07 22:46:09 (ID: 100168039) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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Critical topic. Let me add my point of view.
Financial management is a big part of this game. I think I'm average as a manager. So far, I've always found a way to keep the balance. Problem is, I get fond of my players, and that's financially a disaster  , but that's also part of the fun, isn't it? So, I'm happy to pay the price.
By the way, I think Pete's suggestion is good: cancel the contract penalty for teams with negative bankroll. Will this give a little advantage to some managers? Probably yes. Would "good" managers then be willing to go red to take advantage themselves? No, by no means. Sooner or later, every manager has to take care of his economy, so this is no advantage in the long term, just a little help to survive bankruptcy. Put it purely financial, that's still good: even a few more managers, it's a slightly bigger market for those who know how to use it. Would you complain of having more "rookie" managers willing to pay a bunch of millions for your superstars? 
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| posted: 2022-07-07 22:54:18 (ID: 100168040) Report Abuse | |
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Dumba may be a lot of things, unfashionable, lush, tacky, clingy, and Serbian. But hostile certainly isn't one of them.
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posted: 2022-07-08 09:14:49 (ID: 100168044) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Rufio13 wrote:
Dumba may be a lot of things, unfashionable, lush, tacky, clingy, and Serbian. But hostile certainly isn't one of them. I would respectfully disagree. I find his comments to be hostile. Every time he posts he wants to hark back to the old days. I wonder why he isn't suggesting playing this game on a tablet of stone. Surely playing it on a PC makes it way too easy. Our Stone Age ancestors had it tough. Why can't we? Everyone except him that has posted here sees there is a problem which needs to be fixed and again and again he ignores my first point which is to get warnings earlier. Is this making it easier? If so then we should not have a forecast because apparently he uses it to make his life easier to avoid bankruptcy. I find the forecast to be less than optimally useful. For example at present my end of season balance is forecast as -$33,401,026 but for next season it is forecast as $+21,720,382 How can this be? Similarly my player wages afor this season are showing as $114,447,963 and for next season $36,909,960. Now I would say this impossible and it is not only this season that the forecast shows like this. Every time the "next season" wages are shown at a fraction of "this season". That is impossible. Where does this discrepancy come in? This does not help forward planning because right now I am sitting here thinking "Well, I don;t need to do anything because by the end of next season I will be ok". So the forecast makes no sense to me. (Perhaps I'm stupid) Anyway to conclude many have suggested we need change. Are we goig to be held back because Dumbarajko doesn;t want it? Pete was here and fixed that post Last edited on 2022-07-10 18:04:43 by pete |
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| posted: 2022-07-08 11:00:05 (ID: 100168045) Report Abuse | |
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The forecast uses the information it has for sure, except the media center income.
That means, the wage difference comes from the players having a contract this season and those having also a contract for next season already. The forecast can't tell, whether the players will be prolonged and with which amount as wage. Sure a manager sees that this is not 'correct', but if you would put all the stuff have have planned for you team for next season into the forecast, then you need a lot of * behind some numbers, like *if you prolong your players or *if you find a new coach with same wage and so on. A bit misleading is the missing media center income. I guess the a solution would be to have the manager be able to s e l e c t some parameters on the forecast and then let the numbers calculate based on that. Like 'prolongation of all THOSE players' check, 'full pledge on media center' check, 'coach configuration' check, 'expected playoff run' check and so on. And then the BIG hint that those are just calculated numbers based on average numbers, not real numbers with a valiance of say -10% to + 10%. But that is a lot to program with limited value, from my point of view. The best solution would be to break down on existing numbers of all teams, how your average weekly situation is. The financial bracket is quite clear, regarding income and expenses. Somewhere in the ball park of 7-9 mio per week expenses it starts to become unhealthy, including everything. So if you break that barrier a bit you should consider some cuts, if you break it heavily, you should consider a rework. Managers with limited time will not go into the details of planning and forecast, since that needs time they don't have. So ONE indicator on the weekly income and expense might help here better. At the end the manager still has to manage the team, which is likely what Dumbarajko what's to state, the responsibility. But Jack only what's some tools for a faster indication, so no management help or short track, more a better reporting to get the alarm for acting quicker. |
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posted: 2022-07-08 17:03:46 (ID: 100168048) Report Abuse |
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To be fair, Dumba didn't ignore the first point of "earlier warnings are needed", he said that warning is provided in the Forecast tab. People disagree about whether that's enough.
All assumptions are with a fully built stadium, because, yeah ..... With a little luck and everything going perfectly, the max income you can hope for in a season is around 320M, maybe a tad more if you can line up deep runs in the same season in all three CoC, SC, and League Playoffs. Plus whatever you can make on the TM. So 320M is my staring point with Mediacenter minus 50M Stadium maintenance minus 17M Staff/Facilities 0 to minus 25M Best case scenario you can come close to breaking even with, oh let's say, 10M weekly combined player and coach salaries. Best possible case (excluding TM gains/expenditures). Highly unlikely. Obviously not everyone can have best case scenario seasons. If you have poor/no mediacenter and no playoffs and poor attendance you're looking at like 120M income and still have stadium and possible facility and staff costs. Let's call it 100M after stadium and two training facilities. Lowest end of the income spectrum you can break even with like 4M weekly combined player and coach salaries (assuming minimal facilities, youth academy, and Expert Staff). My numbers aren't going to be perfect because I did this on the fly, but a franchise can break even with 10M or maybe only 4M in weekly combined wages, depending on success, ticket sales, and mediacenter (plus fanshop and TM). Developing something which can predict where at on that spectrum each individual team falls is, well, that's asking a lot. |
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| posted: 2022-07-08 17:19:42 (ID: 100168049) Report Abuse | |
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Forecast tells all of us situation at the end of the season if we don't act with some moves.
For me that is more then enough of information. A great warning how will my finance look at the end of the season in worst case. I really can't see what other warning can manager get earlier that will tell him different thing. Only thing that comes to my mind is that Pete can copy forecast page information and sent it to each manager each week, but I don't see a point in that since you already have that page. And yes, also very useful information is how will your balance look next season if you let all players at the end of their contracts at the end of season. Sometimes it is useful to let expensive players go instead of renewing contract and then trying to sell them (mostly with no success). And, once again, none of my posts are hostile, I am just writing facts. Facts that a manager in manager game must look at it. And yes, manager that just can't manage his team (whatever is his reason) has to take penalty for it. In real life he would probably been fired from that team. And yes, all of you can see who is hostile. |
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| posted: 2022-07-08 17:38:38 (ID: 100168050) Report Abuse | |
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I forgot you updated your picture, so I must remove unfashionable from your list of negative traits. That's a dapper looking pachyderm.
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