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| posted: 2025-01-29 12:13:32 (ID: 100188972) Report Abuse | |
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I am kind of new to the game, but I think there might be a change to help new players fit into the game. My suggestion is simple - to make the bots more "stupid" when they pick in the draft.
Example why I think it should change: In my last draft there was a 19y old, 4.5* talent, 3.5* rating player with 3 useful traits. Maybe someone with more experience would say there were some better players in the draft, but in my opinion he was the TOP1. And of course, he got picked be some BOT team in round 1, which means he is most likely wasted, and he will never be part of the game. I dont know how often the game generates players like this one, but I dont think its common to have 3 traits and high talent combination. So I believe players like this should be in human controlled teams and not in one of those BOT teams. It could also help new players to catch up faster. If they can get more good players, they could get faster to a lvl where they can compete against other human controlled teams and not lose 80:3 every time. Possible solutions: 1) BOT teams could simply ignore the draft completely. They wont pick any player and those undrafted will be deleted or they could be send to the market as FA 2) BOT teams could be automatically moved down in the draft order. They are weak and lose every game against human teams, so they got first picks. If they are automatically moved down, they would pick in every round AFTER all human managers pick their players in that round. 3) Make BOT team more stupid so they pick bad players, not those TOP10 prospects. |
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| posted: 2025-01-29 12:42:12 (ID: 100188973) Report Abuse | |
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Ethaziel wrote:
I am kind of new to the game, but I think there might be a change to help new players fit into the game. My suggestion is simple - to make the bots more "stupid" when they pick in the draft. Possible solutions: 1) BOT teams could simply ignore the draft completely. They wont pick any player and those undrafted will be deleted or they could be send to the market as FA 2) BOT teams could be automatically moved down in the draft order. They are weak and lose every game against human teams, so they got first picks. If they are automatically moved down, they would pick in every round AFTER all human managers pick their players in that round. 3) Make BOT team more stupid so they pick bad players, not those TOP10 prospects. I agree with the issue. As to the answer, I quite like number 1. It would also mean that the quality of players in round 3 available to human teams would be better. So, if you're picking 32, you're not left with the 96th selection. |
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| posted: 2025-01-29 13:59:04 (ID: 100188975) Report Abuse | |
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Right now the BOTs do pick a player randomly and after the draft they are released and go into the Free Agent Pool, from which the available Free Agents on the market are taken from every day.
So in theory that player will pop up at some point, only negative here is, he will not have training since that draft, which can be seasons. I don't see here a solution on draft day, which would not create a big mess inside the code. The code right now is likely Team on the clock -> make a selection And the 'make a selection' routine is doing this by - if human s e l e c t based on sorted list - if BOT take randomly. Now you ask for a dumb BOT or skipping case a, dumb BOT is quite complicated from my point of view, since how to make the selection 'dumb'? The value of a player is based on human criteria, and each manager has his own. That's why I usually get my TOP5 player, even I pick as one of the last 5. For the code you need to have hard facts the code can follow, but my opinion is, there are none. case b, a skip, would be possible, so BOT have then NONE in their list. That would likely need some coding on the darft results and processing, but would be possible. But then a number of X players not s e l e c t will get also into the FA pool and likely someone will say 'oh there were so many nice players in it'. I think the best solution would be to not putting them into the pool, but on to the market, maybe spread over days or weeks. Problem here, a lot of players suddenly on the market and that might ruin some fun for the human teams, who want to sell players AFTER the draft, since they got some nice drafties. Overall I think the current system is not optimal, but fair for all. |
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| posted: 2025-01-29 14:28:19 (ID: 100188977) Report Abuse | |
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The current system reduces the number of players in the draft at all quality levels by exactly the proportion of bots in a league. The system is perfect. Any change in any direction leads to advantages or disadvantages for managers in leagues with many or few bots.
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| posted: 2025-01-29 20:26:46 (ID: 100188985) Report Abuse | |
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jack6 wrote:
Right now the BOTs do pick a player randomly and after the draft they are released and go into the Free Agent Pool, from which the available Free Agents on the market are taken from every day. So in theory that player will pop up at some point, only negative here is, he will not have training since that draft, which can be seasons. I don't see here a solution on draft day, which would not create a big mess inside the code. The code right now is likely Team on the clock -> make a selection And the 'make a selection' routine is doing this by - if human s e l e c t based on sorted list - if BOT take randomly. Now you ask for a dumb BOT or skipping case a, dumb BOT is quite complicated from my point of view, since how to make the selection 'dumb'? The value of a player is based on human criteria, and each manager has his own. That's why I usually get my TOP5 player, even I pick as one of the last 5. For the code you need to have hard facts the code can follow, but my opinion is, there are none. case b, a skip, would be possible, so BOT have then NONE in their list. That would likely need some coding on the darft results and processing, but would be possible. But then a number of X players not s e l e c t will get also into the FA pool and likely someone will say 'oh there were so many nice players in it'. I think the best solution would be to not putting them into the pool, but on to the market, maybe spread over days or weeks. Problem here, a lot of players suddenly on the market and that might ruin some fun for the human teams, who want to sell players AFTER the draft, since they got some nice drafties. Overall I think the current system is not optimal, but fair for all. Personally my favorite solution would be the one where only the draft order changes. Meaning when the draft order is made based on season results, all BOT teams would simply fall down behind the human teams. If you want to take coding into the decision, this would also seem as the easiest one to code. Just rearranging the list for draft order, everything else stays the same. |
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| posted: 2025-01-29 20:39:05 (ID: 100188986) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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So the more bots there are in the league, the better the players you pick? Why do you want to punish managers in leagues with few bots?
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| posted: 2025-01-30 06:45:58 (ID: 100188991) Report Abuse | |
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That draft position shifting does solve only in a limited way, since then the bOTs pick randomly after the human teams in 1st round and for sure some of the 'good' players are still taken away and no longer available in round 2.
The value of a player is still individual. And BOT teams come and go, since new managers do pop up and leave, so the engine has to work with that also. I don't see there a better solution than the current one. Yes, sometimes bad for some managers, but overall it evens out. |
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| posted: 2025-01-30 22:23:22 (ID: 100188999) Report Abuse | |
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For me Bots simply shouldnt draft, or all their picks should be taken as 4th Round picks after humans have drafted Rounds 1-3
How easy this would be to code i dont know |
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| posted: 2025-01-31 08:40:58 (ID: 100189002) Report Abuse | |
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jack6 wrote:
That draft position shifting does solve only in a limited way, since then the bOTs pick randomly after the human teams in 1st round and for sure some of the 'good' players are still taken away and no longer available in round 2. The value of a player is still individual. And BOT teams come and go, since new managers do pop up and leave, so the engine has to work with that also. I don't see there a better solution than the current one. Yes, sometimes bad for some managers, but overall it evens out. Some good players will be picked by BOTs for sure, because at least as far as I can say draft is full of good players (If I could, I would pick 20 times and they would probably all be my starters  ). But if human teams pick first, they can all get one player they think is top before BOTS start picking. Players left in the draft would be those that no human manager considered the best.
I think if there is a change in manager position (BOT => human or human => BOT) after the draft order is made, it can stay as it is not to complicate things. A new human manager few days in the game would have no idea how to pick a good player anyway. And one BOT somewhere among the human teams should be fine... |
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| posted: 2025-01-31 13:04:51 (ID: 100189003) Report Abuse | |
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Just for clarification:
The described situation might be yours, but is not the average one. Most exisiting teams kick 1 or 2 draftees immediately after the draft happened. This means: how worthy a draft run is, is determined by the quality of the team's roster. So this means as well we should discuss if we want to shift the outcome to make fresh teams taking more advantage from the draft, or if the draft should provide more food for the well established teams, or - and this is my thinking - if we want to address the average of both. In my opinion the draft is kind of balanced, and keeping the bot teams "in order" is no true disadvantage. Younger teams will benefit from each draftee, no matter if they draft on 1 or 96 ... and for longer existing teams the draft is harder. |
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