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posted: 2012-01-05 13:23:27 (ID: 22332)
panoramix wrote:

So you say that the annual coaching wawes of the Green Bay Packers is like the cost of a 100.000 seats stadium?
Ok, this is only a game, but (imho) can not try to resolve a bug with anoter one.
More simply: with this kind of wages, you destroyed the balance of the many part of the managers that have a stadium to build, while those who have already a full size stadium will have only minor budget issues with marketplace or player wages.


I didn't destroy anything! I had a deep check on every clubs finances, and there was not a single one that will be in trouble. Much more we had a bit too much money in, which gets (not completely!!) consumed by the coaches. Most teams have a green in the forecast, even with quite high coaches.

If you are talking about clubs which spent ALL income on the market, yep, they will be in trouble soon. They would be in trouble even without the new coaches, but 2 seasons later.

I don't think this coaches thing is buggy.

panoramix wrote:I don't like it.


I like it.


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KingOfTh3Hil
posted: 2012-01-05 13:47:52 (ID: 22335) Report Abuse
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If you are talking about clubs which spent ALL income on the market, yep, they will be in trouble soon. They would be in trouble even without the new coaches, but 2 seasons later.



So to be able to play in a high lvl you cant buy players?
So there is really only going in 1 way to be succesfull.

1. Beginning - build stadium untill it is fully build
2. save all the money you get and train the players you have
3. train your players to their top lvl depending on their talent and just have high skilled and expensive players until you cash is gone.

That isent fun


Since everyone practically hates these players who buy draft-players (some hate these cuz they dosent earn that much themselfs yet, and those others who just pile their cash and dont wanna buy)

Pete, is this game designed so that you cant be a "top team" if you do not save all the money you earn?
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Turtlemania
posted: 2012-01-05 13:52:17 (ID: 22336) Report Abuse
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If you are talking about clubs which spent ALL income on the market, yep, they will be in trouble soon. They would be in trouble even without the new coaches, but 2 seasons later.


If you think you can have me that easy out of the game sorry then to be funkiller

@KotH

Cool down nothing is too late and with good finance plan we will still have fun to spend money on transfer market in future
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panoramix
posted: 2012-01-05 13:53:28 (ID: 22337) Report Abuse
Admin wrote:I like it.


I hope that, but you miss a little thing: most of us pay for play this game and is not a good thing to act like it were free.
Sorry Pete, I like your effort, but I think you shoud also listen to the criticism.

The incredible coaches wages are a big wall for those who have a not full developed stadium, and this is an unquestionable reality; another one is that the managers with full size stadium will have only minor issues and will remain the unchallenged masters of the marketplace.
In my opinion this thing will only increase the problems of the newbies.

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KingOfTh3Hil
posted: 2012-01-05 13:55:14 (ID: 22338) Report Abuse
Turtlemania wrote:
Admin wrote:
If you are talking about clubs which spent ALL income on the market, yep, they will be in trouble soon. They would be in trouble even without the new coaches, but 2 seasons later.


If you think you can have me that easy out of the game sorry then to be funkiller

@KotH

Cool down nothing is too late and with good finance plan we will still have fun to spend money on transfer market in future


I am cold over here, just asking.

Im just starting to get tired of all those ppl who is saying that buying is a bad way, and that we will get into financial trouble. The only one who can really knowing this about financial trouble is pete since he designed all this and after his statement i just needed to ask
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posted: 2012-01-05 14:03:27 (ID: 22340)
I am doing some very last words on this topic - from my side.

1.) I googled for Head Coach salaries of the NFL as example. I was told about yearly salaries of 5-7 million.

2.) I had checks if this would work with the actual income situation, and it does - with or without a full stadium. If you can't afford 550 CP overall yet, then don't hire them! This is called management game, not "Please join the game now to win the trophy this evening".

3.) There is always more than one way to do it. No, you can be successfull without going the long way, but you have to be much more careful. The longer, in your opinion boring way by developing players is much more secure. But feel free to do as you like. But don't complain about too less money then, pls.

4.) Don't understand me wrong, but the "we pay for the game" argument is bit off...I don't feel like I would not listen. Damn, I am around every f*cking day, and I try to help wherever I can. I try do solve each single issue that is coming up. You want more from me? Probably I should stop doing this - at least I can't do more, and if you expect more, I have to disappoint you. SORRY

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posted: 2012-01-05 14:21:25 (ID: 22341) Report Abuse
panoramix wrote:
Admin wrote:I like it.


I hope that, but you miss a little thing: most of us pay for play this game and is not a good thing to act like it were free.
Sorry Pete, I like your effort, but I think you shoud also listen to the criticism.

The incredible coaches wages are a big wall for those who have a not full developed stadium, and this is an unquestionable reality; another one is that the managers with full size stadium will have only minor issues and will remain the unchallenged masters of the marketplace.
In my opinion this thing will only increase the problems of the newbies.


panoramix,

I had a look into the coach market and I put a crew together. This is an example. All of the coaches had atm no bid. Please, have a look.

Name CP Weekly Wage Bid Price

HC Team Ayodele Orji 55 $70.306 $17.577

AC QB Myron Ruban 53 $40.083 $10.021
AC RB Tudor Tigirlas 53 $31.956 $7.989
AC FB Zahit Habib 53 $26.731 $6.683
AC TE Shakwe Olanrewaju 55 $35.143 $8.786
AC WR Vyacheslav Goryachi 53 $30.795 $7.699
AC OL Abdiel Jeziorski 52 $25.999 $6.500
AC DL Edgars Pailuskiene 54 $27.778 $6.945
AC LB Hugo Van Diermen 53 $28.943 $7.236
AC CB Yagmyrmyat Levin 55 $37.929 $9.482
AC SF Milton Sanchez 53 $32.245 $8.061
AC ST -No Couch- $0


$387.908 $96.979

Remark: All coaches in this list are without a bid atm.

You see. Weekly wage total is $388.000 and you can get those for $100.000.

I think, this isn´t very expensive for teams who don´t own a full build stadium.

Kottan

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panoramix
posted: 2012-01-05 14:35:44 (ID: 22343) Report Abuse
Admin wrote:

I am doing some very last words on this topic - from my side.

1.) I googled for Head Coach salaries of the NFL as example. I was told about yearly salaries of 5-7 million.


Have you done the same thing when you've decided the stadium development costs?
No, but both enter on the same balance. And make this a more...unbalanced balance.

Admin wrote:4.) Don't understand me wrong, but the "we pay for the game" argument is bit off...I don't feel like I would not listen. Damn, I am around every fucking day, and I try to help wherever I can. I try do solve each single issue that is coming up. You want more from me? Probably I should stop doing this - at least I can't do more, and if you expect more, I have to disappoint you. SORRY


May be my poor english, may be you don't want to understand, I don't know.
The question is: I have see many threads on the "discussion" section, but no one about ACs and relative wages.
Many players don't write on the forum, some are writing only on his language section. I don't see a major consensus at the "coaches thing", except for some big stadium managers.
I have appreciated you for your continuing presence and your speed on the problems solving, but I think thath the "coaches thing", as this is now, likes just you and few others.
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posted: 2012-01-05 14:39:25 (ID: 22344)
KingOfTh3Hil wrote:
Admin wrote:

If you are talking about clubs which spent ALL income on the market, yep, they will be in trouble soon. They would be in trouble even without the new coaches, but 2 seasons later.



So to be able to play in a high lvl you cant buy players?
So there is really only going in 1 way to be succesfull.

1. Beginning - build stadium untill it is fully build
2. save all the money you get and train the players you have
3. train your players to their top lvl depending on their talent and just have high skilled and expensive players until you cash is gone.

That isent fun


Since everyone practically hates these players who buy draft-players (some hate these cuz they dosent earn that much themselfs yet, and those others who just pile their cash and dont wanna buy)

Pete, is this game designed so that you cant be a "top team" if you do not save all the money you earn?


No, pls read my post above.

If you don't have the money, then don't hire high quality coaches. If you don't have the money to do whatever, create income (Fanshop, stadium). If you have money - as you - it is of course great to get some talent on the transfer market. And it is IN NO WAY WRONG!

I don't hate a person, maybe except *,*, and *. Others don't hate you too for buying players on the market. That is OK, as long as you can afford it.

It is not that 1 2 3 that you wrote about, that is only one way, and the most secure way. You won't be successful if you skip #1 completely, but this is on you as manager to decide if your income is big enough or not.

To answer your design question: the game is designed to be successful as long as you use your brain, and take action if needed. It has nothing to do with the amount on the bank, or whatever else. It was not my intention to tell you "do 1 2 3 and that is the only rigth way". Do it as you like, keep an eye on the finances, don't stress your account too much, and have fun. This is the game principle. Right?
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posted: 2012-01-05 14:48:47 (ID: 22345) Report Abuse
Admin wrote:
KingOfTh3Hil wrote:
Admin wrote:

If you are talking about clubs which spent ALL income on the market, yep, they will be in trouble soon. They would be in trouble even without the new coaches, but 2 seasons later.



So to be able to play in a high lvl you cant buy players?
So there is really only going in 1 way to be succesfull.

1. Beginning - build stadium untill it is fully build
2. save all the money you get and train the players you have
3. train your players to their top lvl depending on their talent and just have high skilled and expensive players until you cash is gone.

That isent fun


Since everyone practically hates these players who buy draft-players (some hate these cuz they dosent earn that much themselfs yet, and those others who just pile their cash and dont wanna buy)

Pete, is this game designed so that you cant be a "top team" if you do not save all the money you earn?


No, pls read my post above.

If you don't have the money, then don't hire high quality coaches. If you don't have the money to do whatever, create income (Fanshop, stadium). If you have money - as you - it is of course great to get some talent on the transfer market. And it is IN NO WAY WRONG!

I don't hate a person, maybe except *,*, and *. Others don't hate you too for buying players on the market. That is OK, as long as you can afford it.

It is not that 1 2 3 that you wrote about, that is only one way, and the most secure way. You won't be successful if you skip #1 completely, but this is on you as manager to decide if your income is big enough or not.

To answer your design question: the game is designed to be successful as long as you use your brain, and take action if needed. It has nothing to do with the amount on the bank, or whatever else. It was not my intention to tell you "do 1 2 3 and that is the only rigth way". Do it as you like, keep an eye on the finances, don't stress your account too much, and have fun. This is the game principle. Right?


i did read. Thx pete, these bold things is what i will be doing.

And my post has nothing to do with the coaches salaries, just so you know. Since everyone have a posibility to either sign expensive or cheap coaches. I did sign the expensive ones i think and thats what i wanted.

This whas just about if stocking money in piles.

and btw, you would deserve a little vacation for all the great things you have done in here pete. hope you dont dislike me much atleast, and if you do plz tell me so i can do something about it

Thx u.
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