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posted: 2012-01-07 21:36:44 (ID: 22826) Report Abuse
Ranagol wrote:
And if I neglected my FB AC, so it has 0 CP, wouldn't it be a better choice to list them as RB in the DC? With training involved as well, playing out of position for a 25% penalty (any higher than this is way to harsh imo) is kind of worth it to have better skills for my players. Especially if I'm planing for the long run, soon the FB (listed as RB and training under the high CP RB AC) will have better skills even WITH the 25% penalty, than he could get with a 0 CP AC training him and no penalty. Of course I could also be speculating here and an AC doesn't have this much of an impact on training...

Basic Idea was in this situation:
Train your RBs, maybe lots of rbs and sell a few.
And buy a build FB from the market.
No penalty.
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Ranagol
posted: 2012-01-07 21:41:51 (ID: 22827) Report Abuse
That is true, but even after having a build FB from market, what then? My FB AC has still 0 CP, and training him under RB gives his training a considerable boost.

Also, if the "out of position play" gives a 25% penalty to everything, so TC, Morale, skills etc...why shouldn't I just switch him back to his original position before a game, and he'll only get the TC/M hit for the switch...
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posted: 2012-01-07 21:45:03 (ID: 22828) Report Abuse
Ranagol wrote:
That is true, but even after having a build FB from market, what then? My FB AC has still 0 CP, and training him under RB gives his training a considerable boost.

Also, if the "out of position play" gives a 25% penalty to everything, so TC, Morale, skills etc...why shouldn't I just switch him back to his original position before a game, and he'll only get the TC/M hit for the switch...

Because each switch will cost TC and moral!
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Ranagol
posted: 2012-01-07 22:00:44 (ID: 22831) Report Abuse
jack6 wrote:Because each switch will cost TC and moral!


That's exactly what I'm saying!

Having a 0 CP FB AC you have 3 options:

1. List FB as FB, get no penalty whatsoever, but those players will raise their skills considerably slower during training.

2. List FB as RB, play out of position, get a penalty on everything.

3. List FB as RB, but switch them back to FB before the game, so they only get a TC/M hit.

So looking at 2. and 3., you have an option with a penalty for everything, or a penalty for only TC and Morale. Which one is more worth it?

So unless the TC/M hit is a constant number for every switch made, meaning after a few switches the player will have 0% in both, I think the 3. option is worth it.
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posted: 2012-01-07 22:13:38 (ID: 22832) Report Abuse
Ranagol wrote:
jack6 wrote:Because each switch will cost TC and moral!


That's exactly what I'm saying!

Having a 0 CP FB AC you have 3 options:

1. List FB as FB, get no penalty whatsoever, but those players will raise their skills considerably slower during training.

2. List FB as RB, play out of position, get a penalty on everything.

3. List FB as RB, but switch them back to FB before the game, so they only get a TC/M hit.

So looking at 2. and 3., you have an option with a penalty for everything, or a penalty for only TC and Morale. Which one is more worth it?

So unless the TC/M hit is a constant number for every switch made, meaning after a few switches the player will have 0% in both, I think the 3. option is worth it.


hmm

Last edited on 2012-01-07 22:22:51 by KingOfTh3Hil

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posted: 2012-01-07 22:16:33 (ID: 22834) Report Abuse
Ranagol wrote:


3. List FB as RB, but switch them back to FB before the game, so they only get a TC/M hit.



This is impossible, you can't play every game with 0% TC and moral. He will act like a alien on the field.
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posted: 2012-01-07 22:21:33 (ID: 22837) Report Abuse
Buffalo wrote:
Ranagol wrote:

3. List FB as RB, but switch them back to FB before the game, so they only get a TC/M hit.



This is impossible, you can't play every game with 0% TC and moral. He will act like a alien on the field.


Ranagol wrote:

So unless the TC/M hit is a constant number for every switch made, meaning after a few switches the player will have 0% in both, I think the 3. option is worth it.


Aaah, so every switch means a minus for TC/M and not something like "if you switch, then the player has 50% TC/M"...didn't know that, and guess I just wrote down all that stuff for nothing

Last edited on 2012-01-07 22:22:01 by Ranagol

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posted: 2012-01-07 22:22:17 (ID: 22838)
Kuensami wrote:
Give new players a roster with 50 players, or only penalize players for using offensive players on defense and vice versa. Is there really much harm in playing a WR as a TE? NFL teams occasionally do it.


Yep, but thats not the point. We have to avoid the situation that you switch all WR to TE, because of a better coach there.

Now we have to directions we can go:

1.) We go with easy penalties, and we allow mixing of positions (WR as TE)

2.) We do it the "harsh way".

2 is easier to explain...."Play your players ONLY in the position they have"...1 might be more gently, but even harder to describe and understand.
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posted: 2012-01-07 22:34:51 (ID: 22843) Report Abuse
Admin wrote:
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Now we have to directions we can go:

1.) We go with easy penalties, and we allow mixing of positions (WR as TE)

2.) We do it the "harsh way".



I prefer #1

It is not so difficult to explain. You can play with a player out of this natural position, if you have him on both positions of your DC. He will get a small penalty and will not perform as good as a natural player of this position.
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posted: 2012-01-07 22:37:21 (ID: 22845)
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