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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-29 19:13:57 (ID: 30655) Report Abuse |
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Let's investigate to find out.
Season 2 data: Final 4 teams in Dragons 1.1 playoffs and what big buys they had that led to their success: One team paid 8 million for a player that contributed nothing. Admirals: 2 out of 4 had big buys but the champ did not. Claymore: none. Many of the champs last season didn't have big buys to win. Will the big buys they have since the season ended help them? I'm sure it will, but we don't know for sure yet. I think it is taking a leap out there to say the strong are strong because they bought players. |
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Lee1950
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posted: 2012-02-29 20:13:07 (ID: 30656) Report Abuse |
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I agree it's too soon to tell.
My example: I bought two draftees (a QB and a WR) at 'discount' prices. I'm converting the speedy WR to RB (although he may go back to WR if my YA candidates keep developing) and he's about my #3 RB atm, behind the stud I just-drafted and a 'normal' guy. If I keep training his Carry skill he'll compete for the #1 spot next season. If I switch him back to WR he's my instant #1. But passing is not my game, so I'm trying to use his speed at RB (and waiting to see where his Strength caps.) My QB allows me to have a small passing attack with limited risk, thanks to his 50 Intel (since I believe there is a direct relationship between hi Intel and low Interception rate). He throws 0-30 passes, depending on my gameplan, and averages about 4 yards per pass. It's just enough to break my rushing tendencies. So you could argue that I wasted my money buying two guys I don't use much, but I actually love that my QB gives me a passing option, and (like Al Davis) I don't think you ever have too much speed. Team-building is a lot more than just adding draftee-FAs. Last edited on 2012-02-29 20:14:16 by Lee1950 |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-02-29 20:42:17 (ID: 30658) Report Abuse |
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I'm not knocking people's strategies to building their teams. If you want to go all Davis/Snyder style then do you. My only beef is there doesnt seem to be ANY risks to buying players over their value.
The way I see it.. the only thing stopping big money spenders from putting up even more cash is if they arent online at the end of the transfer deadline.. or they have some sort of arbitrary number they won't cross for whatever reason. Not the should be main reason for not wanting to pay a player x amount, "If I pay this player this much he's going to cripple my finances." Now I get that one day my team will be just as good by me having a strong YA and developing those players... a long with drafting well. Thats playing par for the course.. But some of you are really swinging for the fences and while I cant fault you for it.. I am mad at the system for never allowing you guys to bogey if you miscalculate (and I'm mad at myself for using golf analogies in general). case in point. You win a 50mil bid on 18yr old RB who's strength and speed is 37. You find after you win that he's ! (yellow) on both stats. You resell him on the TM and get roughly 50mil back. You gambled... you lost.. but it doesnt matter because the dealer gave you your money back. Now if I'm missing the risk factor please let me know. |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2012-02-29 20:45:14 (ID: 30659) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
case in point. You win a 50mil bid on 18yr old RB who's strength and speed is 37. You find after you win that he's ! (yellow) on both stats. You resell him on the TM and get roughly 50mil back. You gambled... you lost.. but it doesnt matter because the dealer gave you your money back. Now if I'm missing the risk factor please let me know. You miss one point: such a player without an ad i would not bid Sure other will, but the chance for going for same price lowers |
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Lee1950
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posted: 2012-02-29 20:45:31 (ID: 30660) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
case in point. You win a 50mil bid on 18yr old RB who's strength and speed is 37. You find after you win that he's ! (yellow) on both stats. You resell him on the TM and get roughly 50mil back. You gambled... you lost.. but it doesnt matter because the dealer gave you your money back. Now if I'm missing the risk factor please let me know. Is this happening? |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-29 20:50:45 (ID: 30662) Report Abuse |
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I have yet to see it happen.
Again, patience is key. Those impatient people who blew wads and wads of cash will hurt more than those who didn't in upcoming seasons. It is vital that each person worry about their individual teams. Your post reminds of of Ferris Bueler's day off. Remember the scene when his sister is talking to the character played by Charlie Sheen? Where she is all pissed off because he gets away with ditching and she doesn't? Sheen's character is like, who cares if he is ditching it is pretty much on him. Same thing here, people are blowing wads of cash, so what, it is their problem later on. lol |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-29 20:52:32 (ID: 30663) Report Abuse |
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Essentially you sound pissed because someone didn't get their hands slapped for spending more than you.
 
Just take care of your team responsibly and it will all work out for you just fine. Like I said in a post above, the champs last season didn't spend a ton on players for those trophies.... |
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Ranagol
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posted: 2012-02-29 22:43:31 (ID: 30676) Report Abuse |
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Patience. By the looks of it even us patient managers will have to wait a couple of seasons until we can see how things work out on the TM. It could take up to 3-4 seasons or even more, where every season is 12 weeks irl. And even then we can't be sure if prices drop or not.
What I don't like about the TM is that there really isn't any risk in overspending. And what does a new manager see? A couple of "old" managers get all the good stuff, and they have to make do with the "will become a great player some day" players. I really liked kengrad's ideas on page 7 of this topic. Or if you want a serious long term penalty for overspeding check out my idea here. 
Or it could be as sfniner said: sfniner08 wrote:
...but at the same time in this day and age of "now, now, now" we often times display less patience than we should. |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-03-01 00:51:04 (ID: 30688) Report Abuse |
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Ranagol wrote:
Patience. By the looks of it even us patient managers will have to wait a couple of seasons until we can see how things work out on the TM. It could take up to 3-4 seasons or even more, where every season is 12 weeks irl. And even then we can't be sure if prices drop or not. What I don't like about the TM is that there really isn't any risk in overspending. And what does a new manager see? A couple of "old" managers get all the good stuff, and they have to make do with the "will become a great player some day" players. I really liked kengrad's ideas on page 7 of this topic. Or if you want a serious long term penalty for overspeding check out my idea here.
Or it could be as sfniner said: sfniner08 wrote:
...but at the same time in this day and age of "now, now, now" we often times display less patience than we should. Ranagol... i'm with you. Sfniner I do concede your point. In the long run things "should" work out that teams that splurged with no long term agenda will feel it in the end. But IMO thats very much theoretical. The current system doesnt state that those teams who splurge with no regard can't succeed. My plan from the beginning was to use the TM as a supplemental need (despite my 238902 posts about the ills of the TM) and build my stars via draft and YA. It really revolves around the YA because if I dont acquire 4 1/2 - 5* talent or if I do and don't develop them right then i've wasted weeks and possibly seasons of valuable time and resources. Thats explicit. Your Charlie Sheen analogy (great movie) and in the implication that he won't succeed later in life is debatable. Shout out to Robert Downey Jr... |
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Aren't we all kind of new managers?
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