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preachie
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posted: 2012-03-21 16:04:00 (ID: 33300) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
But i would like to have an answer to my initall question in this thread by Admins, because therein is a great hidden "abuse potential" I don't know the answer but for me it's obvious that a relegated team can directly be promoted again due to the bot flush. Otherwise the bot flush wouldn't make sense at all, if e.g. a bot team would remain in the higher league than a human controlled team, or a bot team would promoted to the higher league. Additionally you must not forget about teams which does not lose intentionally. The more important question is the order the but flush is working. When all bot teams are relegated which teams will be promoted then? Is there a specific order or is it random? I don't see a 'perfect' way to regulate the phenomenon of losing intentionally for getting a better draft pick. The only thing I can imagine is that there might be a bigger impact of attendances when you have a long losing streak, so you have to consider it twice if it's worth to lose intentionally when you lose a lot of money due to this (although 'honest' teams which lose a lot due to weak roster/bad tactics would be affected as well, but okay, that's the business  ). |
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Newgate
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posted: 2012-03-21 16:07:31 (ID: 33301) Report Abuse |
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janos wrote:
My opinion is, that this practice is unsportsmanslike, and we should prevent it by rules somehow. Why??? he don´t lose with will, he change playes an tries something, you interpret that he does this calculated. You believes that he does this calculated |
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lasso22
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posted: 2012-03-21 16:09:28 (ID: 33302) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
But i would like to have an answer to my initall question in this thread by Admins, because therein is a great hidden "abuse potential" I'm interested in that answer too. And I agree with Turtle that a somewhat perfect draft means nothing or at least just a bit. My drafts in the last two seasons were ok to good but far away from my nr. 1 choices. Nevertheless, a miracle occurs all the time and I'm still nr. 1 in the ranking. So I don't think we have to make strict rules about loosing on purpose. I still hope that this behavior won't pay off. |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2012-03-21 16:12:36 (ID: 33303) Report Abuse |
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preachie wrote:
Turtlemania wrote:
But i would like to have an answer to my initall question in this thread by Admins, because therein is a great hidden "abuse potential" I don't know the answer but for me it's obvious that a relegated team can directly be promoted again due to the bot flush. Otherwise the bot flush wouldn't make sense at all, if e.g. a bot team would remain in the higher league than a human controlled team, or a bot team would promoted to the higher league. Dear preachie I hope you are right but i think only admin can tell In case a relegated team can promote directly again, well then he will lose next season again, get a high draft pick again, activate the bot flush and hope to come up again Making sure relegated teams can not promote directly would be a start since in the "lower" division it will harder for them to lose again and get a good draft pick with definetely more bot and new teams around. And even if they chose this way, so let them do - in case they are happy to hang around "down somewhere" - only thing i ask: dont give them chance to promote directly And you are right that losing streaks could give a higher attendance hit, but this would penalize much more teams who do not deserve to be treated like this and would penalize teams that chose to compete in competitive leagues - or the other way around: i losing streak gives a high penalty on attendance then more teams could start losing on purpose to relegate and have then a nice "unbeaten" season full of cash. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-03-21 16:19:35 (ID: 33305) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
I saw this guy who didn't seem to have a bad team - - been around a while, big stadium, decent Super Cup performances, but 0-7 in league play. I couldn't figure out why his league record was so poor other than intentionally throwing games... Steve SD Blitz Hmmm, without seeing the team in question it's difficult to say for sure, but I don't think it's as clear cut as your post seems to imply. I'll take the points one by one :- team been around a while .... doesn't necessarily mean much, some teams that started at the same time as me have improved alot, others still seem to be at the same level. big stadium ....... yeah, and ??? I've seen 1 or 2 teams that were formed just before the last draft, immediately sold a draft player and immediately built the stadium to the max. On the other hand, one of the teams in my division last year had a 10,000 stadium when I started, he's still got a 10,000 stadium now whereas mine is 135,000. It all depends whether you want to spend money and what you want to spend it on. I've seen some good teams with 20,000 stadiums or smaller (wouldn't be my preferred route, but it's up to each individual to choose). good Supercup/poor league ....... I think that is quite normal for all but the best teams. My league record is 2-6 , my Supercup record is 5-2 (6-2 tomorrow when I beat the Bot opponent). To me, that just proves two things (a) the 1.1 leagues are very competitive, it's difficult to get any wins as there are good competitive teams and few Bots. (b) the Supercup is the opposite, in each group there are often 2/3 good teams, some very new teams, plus quite a few Bot teams. Supercup wins are much easier to come by. as regards intentionally throwing games, it crossed my mind to do this last season .... I only started midway through the season,somehow got to the Conference championship (Which I lost). I then had a relegation/promotion game against a Bot .... as I knew that my team wasn't yet ready for 1.1 , it did cross my mind to lose against the Bot team, the theory being that this season I would have had an easier (and more financially profitable) time in 2.2 rather than 1.1 . In the end, commonsense prevailed and I decided to win the promotion match against the Bot team and take my chances in a competitive 1.1 rather than playing against Bots most matchdays in 2.2 . I'm glad that I did , I've just had a look at my 2.2 from last season and there are 7 human teams vs 25 bot teams in the conference , how much fun would that have been ? .... absolutely none, I think !! btw, I did notice one team last season that got hammered by a Bot team in their promotion/relegation match, I had a closer look at the game and I'm 95% sure that they deliberately lost the game (and turned off Bot Flush) in order to remain in their 2.2 division. For obvious reasons I'm not going to name the team, but I will give some stats from this , errr, slightly unusual match. The Human Team - 0 rush attempts The Human Team - 98 pass attempts , 0 completions , 9 interceptions The Human Team - Dime defense against everything apart from a bit of 5-2 against the Shotgun 2 & Shotgun 4. ever seen ZERO completions vs 98 attempts before ????? 
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barbados1 wrote:
I PLAY TO WIN, PERIOD! "Just win, baby!" - Al Davis Steve SD Blitz |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-03-21 17:34:08 (ID: 33316) Report Abuse |
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This is really a non issue as there are no real benefits to throwing a game. You gain nothing financially. You gain little in draft status. There is no abuse potential at all. Unsportsmanlike? Well it is stupid for sure.
The only time I would have a problem with throwing a game is if it was for a specific game to help out a friend of some sort. Everyone would frown on that. |
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| posted: 2012-03-21 17:39:29 (ID: 33318) Report Abuse | |
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Except for the scenario you've presented above, I think people should play the way they want. Initially, I was just curious/surprised that this was happening (already).
Steve SD Blitz |
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Nogard
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posted: 2012-03-21 17:55:37 (ID: 33323) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
Hey, if they want to play stupid let them play stupid. janos wrote:
My opinion is, that this practice is unsportsmanslike, and we should prevent it by rules somehow. sfniner08 wrote:
Unsportsmanlike? Well it is stupid for sure. Although the thread is about me and Steve was looking at me during the bidwar last night (evening for steve) I think I should stay away from this thread. Shouldn´t give answers about me reasons. So I will do this like a stupid unsportsmanlike person and be out of this discussion. |
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Monkey
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posted: 2012-03-21 18:00:24 (ID: 33325) Report Abuse |
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sh888888888888888888888(forget how many 8s there are
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