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panoramix
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posted: 2012-04-30 14:23:46 (ID: 37971) Report Abuse |
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Some actions and a little comment...
1 and 10 to go on opp 44, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), Marelius Kasyaniuk (HB/R) gets the ball, he starts running over the right end, Teodoro Reyes (DE/L) breaks through, Marelius Kasyaniuk (HB/R) tackled by Aarón Sanz (DE/R) correct, this is the standard short run: the DE of the side of the run take down the RB 3 and 10 to go on opp 49, Dwight Hacker (OC) snaps the ball to Wilburn Oneil (QB), Colby Hammett (HB/C) gets the ball, he starts running over the right end, Colby Hammett (HB/C) tackled by Kendrick Jameson (DE/L), forward progress: tackle for loss of 1 yards (I-formation vs. 5-3-3) run on the right flank and the RB is tackled by the L-DE...flying DE??? 1 and 10 to go on own 40, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), hands off to Nevio Francis (HB/L), this seems to be a run over the left end, there is no SS who could tackle him, Nevio Francis (HB/L) tackled by Raúl Vega (CB/R) run on the left flank and the RB is tackled by the R-CB...flying CB??? 2 and 4 to go on opp 34, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), Ettore Cola (HB/C) gets the ball, this seems to be a run over the left end, Ettore Cola (HB/C) tackled by Jay Mowatt (OLB/R) run on the left flank and the RB is tackled by the R-LB...flying LB???  Last edited on 2012-04-30 14:24:41 by panoramix |
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d0ser
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posted: 2012-04-30 14:27:48 (ID: 37972) Report Abuse |
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Defensive line-ups are done facing the opposite direction from the offense. So L-WR would match R-CB. As for the defensive line, it is pretty standard that if they cannot break through they should disengage and run to the side of the ball to help tackle the ball carrier.
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-04-30 16:55:56 (ID: 37982) Report Abuse |
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d0ser wrote:
Defensive line-ups are done facing the opposite direction from the offense. So L-WR would match R-CB. So you say that the L-DE is facing the R-OT? But, if you're right, why it happens that? 2 and 10 to go on own 26, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), hands off to Marelius Kasyaniuk (HB/C), he starts running over the left end, Teodoro Reyes (DE/L) breaks through, Osvaldo Negri (TE/R) blocks, Teodoro Reyes (DE/L) tackles Marelius Kasyaniuk (HB/C) Or that? 1 and 10 to go on own 26, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), hands off to Nevio Francis (HB/L), this seems to be a run over the left end, Aarón Sanz (DE/R) breaks through, Nevio Francis (HB/L) tackled by Teodoro Reyes (DE/L) d0ser wrote:As for the defensive line, it is pretty standard that if they cannot break through they should disengage and run to the side of the ball to help tackle the ball carrier.
To help, ok, but on an external run the opposite DE don't have enough pace to reach and take down the RB: 10-12 yds to run for the HB, more than 15 for the DE... P.S. a run over the L-DE means a "left flank run" on the PB. But this direction is intended from the point of view of the defense, not of the attack. IMHO the directions of the plays must be clarified. Last edited on 2012-04-30 17:01:13 by panoramix |
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Laudis
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posted: 2012-04-30 16:57:23 (ID: 37983) Report Abuse |
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probably good vision and int ...
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-04-30 17:03:30 (ID: 37984) Report Abuse |
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Laudis wrote:
probably good vision and int ... Or a little bug on the engine: seems that this kind of defensive plays happens only with runs over the right end and not with runs over the left end. |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-04-30 17:03:43 (ID: 37985) Report Abuse |
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panoramix wrote:
1 and 10 to go on own 26, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), hands off to Nevio Francis (HB/L), this seems to be a run over the left end, Aarón Sanz (DE/R) breaks through, Nevio Francis (HB/L) tackled by Teodoro Reyes (DE/L) How many yards of progress? |
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-04-30 17:05:29 (ID: 37986) Report Abuse |
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dark_wing wrote:
panoramix wrote:
1 and 10 to go on own 26, Fabio Canalis (OC) snaps the ball to Nicola Terranova (QB), hands off to Nevio Francis (HB/L), this seems to be a run over the left end, Aarón Sanz (DE/R) breaks through, Nevio Francis (HB/L) tackled by Teodoro Reyes (DE/L) How many yards of progress? No gain (whishbone vs. 3-4-4) |
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Lee1950
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posted: 2012-04-30 18:21:58 (ID: 38001) Report Abuse |
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Some reasons DE on opposite side of field makes tackles:
- the play was a Draw or other delayed handoff - no one blocked the DE and he was at full speed before the RB was - the runner cutback - the DE pursued the play, came down the line of scrimmage, and made the tackle while the RB was evading everyone else |
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| posted: 2012-05-01 10:35:25 (ID: 38075) Report Abuse | |
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panoramix wrote:
d0ser wrote:
Defensive line-ups are done facing the opposite direction from the offense. So L-WR would match R-CB. So you say that the L-DE is facing the R-OT? But, if you're right, why it happens that? ... P.S. a run over the L-DE means a "left flank run" on the PB. But this direction is intended from the point of view of the defense, not of the attack. IMHO the directions of the plays must be clarified. for the PS: Plays are always from the view of the Offense, never defense. But, player positions in the defense are viewed by the defense. A left flank run will primary covered by the DL/r, CB/r, OLB/r, and SF/r. Have a look on the field in RL: if a Blitzer is planning to blitz, he sometimes move closer to the middle, or even lines up right behind NT/DTs. The description "CB/r" means only he was set on the right side of the MLB, not more. In the given Example the block of the TE means only, the speed during this play of the blitzing defender gets lowered, he is basically losing time by the blitz. Based on the blocking strength of the blocker then the engine decides if it is a "permanent" block which takes the blitzer off the gameplay, or just a block to change the direction of the blitzer. If the blitzer is fast enough after this blitz-speed-"penalty" to catch the rusher, the tackle happens. Blame those "dancing RBs" 
I hope my english works for what I would like to describe here... |
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-05-01 11:55:41 (ID: 38083) Report Abuse |
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Your english works fine, but the problem remains: some DEs can fly like birds.
- running to the left side (over the left end) - - > 99% of the tackles in short runs are made by the left DE - running to the right side (over the right end) - - > the big part (60-70%) of the tackles in short runs are made by the left DE too! And, if you say the PB orders are see by the point of view of the offense, a left side run must be described as "over the right end", not "over the left end", because the end facing this run is the right DE. So, we have no flying LBs or CBs, but a serious problem with doping of the left DEs. Or with the game's engine. |
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