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petef
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posted: 2012-05-22 14:38:10 (ID: 41748) Report Abuse |
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Tarjan wrote:
MOTY still is the Thing wich i don´t like here th most, oh wait there is the distribution of Teams in the Supercup too. MOTY i don´t like i won´t use it the only thing to win games is to develop a Team with low costs so the Big Spenders (and of course the "better" ones because of that) will run into Finacialproblems and have to Restructure or even Quit 
Otherwise i got to resart in an other League, cause the Allmighty Canadiens will win it every year  Well you get a chance on June 5th to see if I am really all that scary. By the way I have tried to avoid most of the crazy spending on the TM (too cheap) and have built most of team thru Draft and YA. So ain't going bust anytime soon  |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-05-22 15:17:22 (ID: 41754) Report Abuse |
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MOTY in the regular season is actually quite realistic...
consider the times when a better team underestimates the lesser team...and the lesser team wins when they shouldn't normally. MOTY happens in real life football all the time. They aren't called upsets for nothing....lol |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-05-22 15:22:50 (ID: 41756) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
MOTY happens in real life football all the time. They aren't called upsets for nothing....lol They aren't planned/engineered 'upsets' like MOTY though .... the coach doesn't go round the locker room saying "OK, today you will all increase your performance by a factor of between 1.02 and 1.05 ". |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-05-22 15:26:45 (ID: 41758) Report Abuse |
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I would argue that they are planned/engineered upsets. The coach isn't saying you will up performance by a certain amount, but coach IS going around pumping them up and telling them how disrespected they are by the other team, how no one gives them a chance, how the odds are against them, how it is them vs the world. Same thing. Emotion in football can give you a small boost for parts of the game. Hard to maintain the whole time, but it does help to even or tip the odds...
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-05-22 15:37:23 (ID: 41760) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I would argue that they are planned/engineered upsets. The coach isn't saying you will up performance by a certain amount, but coach IS going around pumping them up and telling them how disrespected they are by the other team, how no one gives them a chance, how the odds are against them, how it is them vs the world. Same thing. Emotion in football can give you a small boost for parts of the game. Hard to maintain the whole time, but it does help to even or tip the odds... If he does this before every game, the net effect will be the same ... i.e. the team will play to their natural level, they'll either get pumped by the coach every time or they'll just think the guy is a loudmouthed idiot and ignore him ...but the net result will be the same. However, if you have an 'artificial' switch whereby your players get Turbocharged by x percent for just one game, then there's a name for it ...it's called MOTY. |
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-05-22 15:53:17 (ID: 41764) Report Abuse |
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petef wrote:
Well you get a chance on June 5th to see if I am really all that scary. By the way I have tried to avoid most of the crazy spending on the TM (too cheap) and have built most of team thru Draft and YA. So ain't going bust anytime soon Thats exactly the time i am ad a white sanded Coast and will leave the Sun shine on my (yes i will call it so) body
And damn i hoped you will run in financal disaster but the canadiens seem to be the scottish of Northamerica Last edited on 2012-05-22 15:53:50 by Tarjan |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-05-22 15:56:47 (ID: 41765) Report Abuse |
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The effect is the same? Are you saying that you don't think the coach can motivate his players to perform beyond what they would typically on a regular game basis?
sh8888 wrote:
sfniner08 wrote:
I would argue that they are planned/engineered upsets. The coach isn't saying you will up performance by a certain amount, but coach IS going around pumping them up and telling them how disrespected they are by the other team, how no one gives them a chance, how the odds are against them, how it is them vs the world. Same thing. Emotion in football can give you a small boost for parts of the game. Hard to maintain the whole time, but it does help to even or tip the odds... If he does this before every game, the net effect will be the same ... i.e. the team will play to their natural level, they'll either get pumped by the coach every time or they'll just think the guy is a loudmouthed idiot and ignore him ...but the net result will be the same. However, if you have an 'artificial' switch whereby your players get Turbocharged by x percent for just one game, then there's a name for it ...it's called MOTY. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-05-22 16:06:48 (ID: 41767) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
The effect is the same? Are you saying that you don't think the coach can motivate his players to perform beyond what they would typically on a regular game basis? What I am saying is that a coach cannot "flick a switch" to ensure that all players perform at a 'turbocharged' rate of 1.02 to 1.05 for one specific game of his choosing. It reminds me of the new (and equally stupid) rules in Formula One motor racing where there is now a type of 'overboost' button that gives a driver 6.7 seconds of extra power per lap under certain circumstances. What MOTY does is basically exactly the same .... it's a totally artifical aid to performance, and unsurprisingly this artificial and unrealistic boost leads to artificial and unrealistic results ....no surprise there then. And No ....I don't subscribe to all this crap about a coach inspiring average players to play like heroes. If professional footballers actually are professional (in diet,attitude,preparation etc) then there is no need for and very little to be gained by some rent-a-mouth coach ranting and raving in the locker room before a game. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-05-22 16:23:01 (ID: 41772) Report Abuse |
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I can personally vouch for the fact that the emotional impact with an inspirational/motivational talk can definitely impact performance. Football players are people, not robots. There are times when you don't give you max effort, be honest. They are human, you don't think there are plays where they think it isn't coming to me so I relax a little bit?
I whole heartedly disagree that is crap to think that a coach can motivate his players to perform above their norm. A big part of the game is the mental aspect. They are all strong and/or fast. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-05-22 17:00:36 (ID: 41783) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I can personally vouch for the fact that the emotional impact with an inspirational/motivational talk can definitely impact performance. Football players are people, not robots. There are times when you don't give you max effort, be honest. They are human, you don't think there are plays where they think it isn't coming to me so I relax a little bit? I whole heartedly disagree that is crap to think that a coach can motivate his players to perform above their norm. A big part of the game is the mental aspect. They are all strong and/or fast. No. I know a guy who used to be a professional cyclist. He used to get "team talks" from his team manager before every race ...and most Pro's race something like 100+ days per year. He told me that the team manager had ZERO effect on inspiring/motivating him. I asked him where the motivation/inspiration came from ...he laughed and replied "when you get up at 8 a.m. in the middle of winter, and it's blowing a gale,raining,and sleet/snow is forecast and you then go and do a 7-hour training ride in the mountains and you return home and your legs hurt so much that you can't even walk up the stairs ....that's where the motivation comes from, you don't need some manager sticking his face in yours and trying to 'motivate' you" And I'm not talking about some mickey mouse cyclist here , I'm talking about a seriously high-quality cyclist who used to win regularly on the British/European Pro scene ....and remember, if a pro cycling race has 180 riders on the start line ...there will be only one winner and 179 losers ...this isn't American Football where 50% of the players on the field will be winners at the end of the game. |
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