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| posted: 2022-01-21 21:34:48 (ID: 100164521) Report Abuse | |
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michaeltodd wrote:
Should my initial amount offered, my first bid, should it be larger if the contract has more seasons? For example, I have a player whose wage is $100,000 and I offer him on my first bid $85,000 for one season. But if I offer the same player a three year contract instead of one should my initial bid of $85,000 stay the same or should I enlarged it because its a multi year contract instead of one year? So, to recap, does the length of contract offered have any bearing on initial amount offered? Thank you! Longer contract = more money per season In my experience: This and another season = around 85% of wage estimation This and two seasons = around 100-110% of wage estimation Franchise contracts = I don't know, rarely offer them 😀 |
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| posted: 2022-01-21 21:35:26 (ID: 100164522) Report Abuse | |
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You can definitely get away with making a lower offer on 1+2 contract compared to a 1+1 contract. Timing of the contract makes a difference (offering now vs later in the season). The player's age also is a factor, with younger players wanting a bit more than veterans who have less room for improvement. Franchise contracts, on the other hand, require paying more up front with the knowledge that after the first season or two, they will be worth more than their contract.
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| posted: 2022-01-22 00:04:00 (ID: 100164525) Report Abuse | |
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In my experience: This and another season = around 85% of wage estimation This and two seasons = around 100-110% of wage estimation Franchise contracts = I don't know, rarely offer them 😀 I find those 1+2 seem to have the largest range from player to player. |
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| posted: 2022-01-22 01:33:10 (ID: 100164528) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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A little more food for thought.
My backup QB just after turnover with skills at 40.0. I signed him to a franchise for $140,065. Say my intentions are to train him train him to 47. Gaining 3.5 per skill per season. He is 25 so my calculations are for 7 more seasons , I hope he'll last that long. Skills are 40. Est salary $89,000 Yr1: QB1 Franchise 1+4 $140,065 ​QB2 1+1 $76,184 ​ ​after rollover skills now 43.5 Est Salary $160,000 Yr2 QB1 $140,065 QB2 (a)1+1 $136900 or let his contract run til that season end signing him then. That would mean his salary would remain (b) $76184 skills now 47 Est salary $298,500 Yr3 QB1 $140,065 QB2 (a) let his contract run til that season end signing him then. That would mean his salary would remain $136,900 (b)1+1 $255,516 ​skills now 47 Est salary $298,500 Yr4 QB1 $140,065 QB2 1+1 $255,516 ​skills now 47 Est salary $298,500 Yr5 QB1 $140,065 QB2 1+1 $255,516 ​skills now 47 Est salary $298,500 Yr6 QB1 1+1 $255,516 QB2 1+1 $255,516 Yr7 QB1 1+1 $255,516 QB2 1+1 $255,516 Summary ** Remember I'm only using weekly salary so the saving will be 24 times that.** QB1 : $140065 x 5 + $255,516 x 2 = $1,211,032 QB2 (a) $76,184 + $136900 x 2 + $255,516 x 4 =$1,372,048 QB2 (b) $76184 x 2 + $255,516 x 5 = $1,429,948 Last edited on 2022-01-22 01:34:57 by skeetz |
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| posted: 2022-01-22 08:55:45 (ID: 100164530) Report Abuse | |
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Thanks for sharing.
a few comments a) if you post % to offer, always post the time of the offer. As can be seen in the math above, it's making a big difference when to offer what. b) my roster has only about 1/3 of players under my personal training limit. Those players at the limit will never increase again and are better signed at season end. For the rest, fine it seems to be a small bonus to sign them at season start, but the amount of money is compared to the rest quite low. That just my personal approach here. |
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| posted: 2022-01-22 15:01:47 (ID: 100164540) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse | |
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jack6 wrote:
Thanks for sharing.
a few comments a) if you post % to offer, always post the time of the offer. As can be seen in the math above, it's making a big difference when to offer what. b) my roster has only about 1/3 of players under my personal training limit. Those players at the limit will never increase again and are better signed at season end. For the rest, fine it seems to be a small bonus to sign them at season start, but the amount of money is compared to the rest quite low. That just my personal approach here. As I said I haven't offered multi year at season end so I don't know those rates but I do know 1+1 is the same rate no matter when it's offered. The rates for multi year I gave are for beginning of season. If it's a player that has reached his training limit signing him either at the beginning or the end of the season to a 1+1 is the same rate and of course if he's reached his training peak a multi year then is self defeating. But planning a players retirement can be a big benefit signing him at the start of a season. Lastly Basically as long as I'm still raising the players skills I won't sign that player at the end of a season, (I don't let his contract run til the last day of a season) I sign them at the beginning of a season, as soon as I can. When I do let contracts run til the last day of a season it is when the player has reached my desired and his skill and salaries highest levels, Like my example above my QB will have been trained to his highest level asking the highest salary I'm just putting it off a season or two or three or four. Last edited on 2022-01-22 22:11:56 by skeetz |
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| posted: 2022-01-22 22:57:03 (ID: 100164568) Report Abuse | |
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Okay! I think I'm ready to do it now. At least some of my players that is. I really appreciate the wealth of info you guys shared, its helped a lot. Thanks!
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| posted: 2022-01-22 23:01:26 (ID: 100164569) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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At what salary are most experienced managers not wanting a player to exceed? $200,000? $250,000? Less? More? I have a few players exceeding the $200,000 amount and I get the feeling I better not let too many players get up into these ranges. But I am curious as to where most experienced managers draw the line?
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| posted: 2022-01-22 23:11:25 (ID: 100164570) Report Abuse | |
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michaeltodd wrote:
At what salary are most experienced managers not wanting a player to exceed? $200,000? $250,000? Less? More? I have a few players exceeding the $200,000 amount and I get the feeling I better not let too many players get up into these ranges. But I am curious as to where most experienced managers draw the line? Depends on position. For QB I pay like 500.000. For great MLB like 400.000. But for whole defensive line like max 200.000 per player. Of course all this depends how full is your bank account. If it can take greater loss per season you can go with higher salaries. If it is thin as my (I talk about account 😂) than I have to be very carefull with salaries, so every season some players must go since they cost a lot and their replacements are ready. |
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| posted: 2022-01-23 14:47:55 (ID: 100164586) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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michaeltodd wrote:
At what salary are most experienced managers not wanting a player to exceed? $200,000? $250,000? Less? More? I have a few players exceeding the $200,000 amount and I get the feeling I better not let too many players get up into these ranges. But I am curious as to where most experienced managers draw the line? Myself I only pay 1 player more than 270k whose skills are above 47, my QB. Most times I'll only have 2 maybe 3 other key players over $200k The rest of my starters range from 120k- 180k with the average being around 145k. Should have added doing this I'm usually just breaking even financially. Last edited on 2022-01-23 14:51:40 by skeetz |
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