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| posted: 2012-06-04 17:53:42 (ID: 43465) Report Abuse | |
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Actually, what probably should happen (and maybe it does to some degree) - - is what might happen in real life. An 0-16 team (especially one not playing competitive football) would lose most of its fan support and the financial consequences would outweigh the draft advantage.
The problem is, right now, if you sold a stud draftee, you could get $50-100M. Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:00:16 (ID: 43466) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
The problem is, right now, if you sold a stud draftee, you could get $50-100M. If you advertised any draft player in the TM forum and put "Draftee", you'd still get $50 Million .... stud or otherwise. I don't think people tank to get great picks so they can sell them, they tank to get great picks so they can build up their team. |
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:13:58 (ID: 43468) Report Abuse |
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You know what is weird to me...the statement "there isn't any incentive to win..."
Really? Now, I'm not blasting the person who made the comment, but rather the people who the comment is about. Why in the hell play the game if you aren't playing to win? The incentive to win is well...to win. lol. As far as the throwing games to get a better pick...I've picked in the bottom 10 of every draft so far and have gotten: 1st draft: my #1 and #6 overall choices 2nd draft: my #3 and #9 overall choices 3rd draft: my #3 and # 8 overall choices. clearly we don't all value either the draft or the players the same. Throw in some crazy bot picks and the draft is then unpredictable. I don't see a need to go lottery as it seems that in the draft most people are getting what they want regardless of draft position. |
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| posted: 2012-06-04 18:14:23 (ID: 43469) Report Abuse | |
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IMO, we can adjust this only by money. If the "penalty" out of worse win/loss is higher, combined with an attendance lowering based on league levels it could work, but this means again the rich (1.1 teams) get richer
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:16:25 (ID: 43470) Report Abuse |
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It is really going to take patience for it all to work out. There will be a point where there are specific positions you need and target and so it will be like in the NFL draft. Some teams will draft best available player and some will draft based on positional needs.
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:21:09 (ID: 43471) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
IMO, we can adjust this only by money. If the "penalty" out of worse win/loss is higher, combined with an attendance lowering based on league levels it could work, but this means again the rich (1.1 teams) get richer From low attendance also teams in 1.1 will be affected what lose by intention and the effect should be even worse reflecting on attendance in supercup games too And there is another factor also what is to easy to handle: moral If moral has higher effect and you could lose eg critical supercup game you maybe would think twice of intention loss in league Moral has to have much bigger effect Atm is ridicoulous a team what is at league 0-5 still has 100% moral or even teams was 1-12 or worse have full moral And alos with the lower moral team chemistry from a certain morale level should start to take hit since unhappy players will lose faith of the "neighbour" on the field Last edited on 2012-06-04 18:23:34 by Turtlemania |
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:23:26 (ID: 43472) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
You know what is weird to me...the statement "there isn't any incentive to win..." You're probably missing my point. There is an incentive to win .......... but, to win EVENTUALLY. Somebody who was prepared to take the short-term pain (and boredom) of intentionally losing could reap the long-term rewards of better picks. As regards Draft Picking ....you're not telling me that a smart manager who decided to lie low at the bottom of a 2.x league couldn't hoover up some GREAT picks by picking at 1,33,65 each time. I remember studying the 2.2 draft pick results two drafts ago ....truly bizarre. Believe me, picking down in 2.x is more productive than picking in 1.1 . |
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:25:45 (ID: 43474) Report Abuse |
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So you are saying the quality of draft players is better in 2.x than 1.1?
Even if they were it wouldn't do any good to lose on purpose as there are more bots in general than 1.1 and you have even more opportunities. I just think that if someone thinks it is a winning strategy to lose on purpose to "Stock up on draft picks" even though you don't, no really anyway, then they have a terrible strategy. Last edited on 2012-06-04 18:27:57 by sfniner08 |
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posted: 2012-06-04 18:38:02 (ID: 43477) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
So you are saying the quality of draft players is better in 2.x than 1.1? lol ... No ! ...when did I say that ! I'm saying two things :- (1) The managers are generally less experienced, they might not even scout the board, they possibly have new-ish teams ... they may well aim for the 'glamour positions' (QB, WR etc). This gives a great opportunity to pick the "grunt-positions" OL,DL etc. A slight generalisation ....but you see the point. (2) The Bots picking skills are , errr, what's the word ....'limited'. If there is a stand-out superstar on the board, the Bot won't pick it ...unless the dice rolls that way. sfniner08 wrote:
I just think that if someone thinks it is a winning strategy to lose on purpose to "Stock up on draft picks" even though you don't, no really anyway, then they have a terrible strategy. Terrible strategy ? what ...on 'moral' grounds ? or on the grounds that it won't work ? If the right person does it, it WILL work. If I had more patience and willpower, I could make that strategy work. It might need 3/4/5/6 seasons, but it would work eventually. |
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posted: 2012-06-04 19:03:18 (ID: 43481) Report Abuse |
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In 1.1 there are people drafting at the bottom of every round and still getting their top 5 choices.
That strategy is indeed terrible. You lose on purpose so you have the possibility of drafting slightly better players? I say possibility because the draft board isn't predictable at all, not even close, regardless of the league level. The best QB I perceived in 1.1 dragons last season was Blaze who was drafted by, I think Zaragoza, midway through the first round. That is just one example of many. Perhaps you valued Blaze differently than I did, another factor to consider. Losing on purpose is always a terrible idea. Anyone who would submit to this strategy has lost all, and I mean ALL respect from me. The reason being, they are the ones who try to work the system instead of just playing the game. There is no honor in that, there is no glory, and there is only a possible marginal gain in it. |
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