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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-23 06:28:04 (ID: 53555) Report Abuse |
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Not sure what you're getting at here.
Are you suggesting that the ball was caught 80yds beyong the LOS - so a 90yd pass?  |
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canonico
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posted: 2012-08-23 06:32:40 (ID: 53556) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
Not sure what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting that the ball was caught 80yds beyong the LOS - so a 90yd pass? I'm not "getting at" anything, I simply quoted Pete and I will again. How do you interpret this quote by Pete? pete wrote:
Please note: the distances mean the progress by the pass itself, not the carrying progress after the catch - this would be Yards after Catch (on ToDo). The yards for the Pass success in the stats are always "Progress from the line of Scrimmage to the end of the play... |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-23 06:55:01 (ID: 53557) Report Abuse |
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You've lost me.
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canonico
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posted: 2012-08-23 07:29:00 (ID: 53558) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
You've lost me.  Source: http://i50.tinypic.com/2rp2m9c.gif |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-08-23 07:44:32 (ID: 53563) Report Abuse |
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sneaky_minotaur wrote:
The two 'base' formations seem to only work "ok." With a 4-3-4 being balanced with an edge on stopping the rush and the 3-4-4- being balanced with an edge on stopping the pass (could be a little better). In real life 4-3-4 being balanced with an edge on stopping the pass and the 3-4-4- being balanced with an edge on stopping the rush. Because antipass 4-3 is based on the DEs' rush to QB. But 3-4 is based on OLBs' blitz. So, for 4-3 more players in backfield. |
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alexshans84
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posted: 2012-08-23 08:17:34 (ID: 53568) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
Not sure what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting that the ball was caught 80yds beyong the LOS - so a 90yd pass? I'm not "getting at" anything, I simply quoted Pete and I will again. How do you interpret this quote by Pete? pete wrote:
Please note: the distances mean the progress by the pass itself, not the carrying progress after the catch - this would be Yards after Catch (on ToDo). The yards for the Pass success in the stats are always "Progress from the line of Scrimmage to the end of the play... My interpretation: Pass success in the stats = pass distance (short=0-10, medium=10-20, long=20+ yds) + YAC |
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| posted: 2012-08-23 08:46:54 (ID: 53574) Report Abuse | |
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alexshans84 wrote:
canonico wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
Not sure what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting that the ball was caught 80yds beyong the LOS - so a 90yd pass? I'm not "getting at" anything, I simply quoted Pete and I will again. How do you interpret this quote by Pete? pete wrote:
Please note: the distances mean the progress by the pass itself, not the carrying progress after the catch - this would be Yards after Catch (on ToDo). The yards for the Pass success in the stats are always "Progress from the line of Scrimmage to the end of the play... My interpretation: Pass success in the stats = pass distance (short=0-10, medium=10-20, long=20+ yds) + YAC  |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-23 12:21:52 (ID: 53600) Report Abuse |
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Ok, so what's the relevence to me saying that there looks like there's nothing wrong with the 3-4 as a pass D since in the 3 examples given there were missed tackles in all? And thus it seems poor players were the cause of the TDs, not the 3-4.
What am I missing? |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-08-23 12:44:29 (ID: 53603) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
And thus it seems poor players were the cause of the TDs, not the 3-4. What am I missing? Do you have lot of better players?  |
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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2012-08-23 16:42:07 (ID: 53638) Report Abuse |
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dark_wing wrote:
sneaky_minotaur wrote:
The two 'base' formations seem to only work "ok." With a 4-3-4 being balanced with an edge on stopping the rush and the 3-4-4- being balanced with an edge on stopping the pass (could be a little better). In real life 4-3-4 being balanced with an edge on stopping the pass and the 3-4-4- being balanced with an edge on stopping the rush. Because antipass 4-3 is based on the DEs' rush to QB. But 3-4 is based on OLBs' blitz. So, for 4-3 more players in backfield. Well, this is sort of a silly argument as both defensive sets can be run with an emphasis either way. In fact, they often run the same coverages. Coachs put their own spin on these base defenses and that obviously can lead to different results. Thier primary uses have also changed/evolved a bit over time. That being said, in the modern NFL some teams and coaches feel that the 4-3 with it's 2 tackles represents the better option for run stoppping. The 3-4 has more LB's on the field and that equals more speed. Speed being the key to stopping the Spread type passing offenses that are popular today. Check out this article by NFL Lead Draft writer Matt Miller: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/891384-breaking-down-the-3-4-defense (Warning, ideal Height and Weight of players is discussed in that article!    )
I'd also like to note that I was mostly agreeing with Buffalo , just tempering it down a bit. I think the base defenses are "ok" at best and noted that the 3-4 could use a bit of a boost. I also said I thought the addition of a Nickel defense (I'll save discussion of what that means for the formation topic) would be good and give better options for stopping the pass.
Sorry it I didn't make that clear. |
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