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| posted: 2025-01-05 20:00:24 (ID: 100188377) Report Abuse | |
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Ever since we joined the Elite in S53 we heard about the „Curse of the Dragon“, and it’s about no team from the NC West ever winning the Elite League Bowl… which is well documented here.
After another strange encounter with a team from the AC conference I was thinking about this and wondered if there could be reason behind this madness. And then recently the great ptdoc2017 uttered an advice to KMN Mandos manager HH_KMN after the Mandos lost the bowl game of S58, despite having one of the greatest seasons in Elite history, that the NC East might be nearly as cursed as the NC West, which again brought my attention to this matter. So I did some digging. I do not have any idea how this game really works, nor am I particularly fond of programming or even feel at home in the world of 1s and 0s. But whenever there are strange things happening like these I try to find answers, because everything happens for a reason. So over the course of S59 I’ll look way back into the Elite as early as S14, when the first season of Elite level RZA-Football was played. I’ll look for anything curious and see what I find. Maybe it’s nothing and Dragon-teams just weren’t good enough to win the Elite Bowl. But maybe there is something to discover here. We’ll see 
I’ll keep you updated  |
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| posted: 2025-01-05 20:30:35 (ID: 100188378) Report Abuse | |
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Chrill wrote:
I do not have any idea how this game really works, nor am I particularly fond of programming or even feel at home in the world of 1s and 0s. But whenever there are strange things happening like these I try to find answers, because everything happens for a reason. Neither do I, but starting to get what is very important and what is almost not at all important. Reason? There are a lot of reasons and you have to take it, a little bit of random factor (or maybe more than a little bit) is one of them. Without random all of this would be simple math and that is not for sure. But still it is a good/great game and the best american football manager online  |
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| posted: 2025-01-05 23:43:55 (ID: 100188381) Report Abuse | |
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for the record, I wasn't being 100% serious
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| posted: 2025-01-06 00:15:33 (ID: 100188383) Report Abuse | |
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It's obviously the fact that Dragons and Monarchs are not allowed to play eachother as regular season foes. We test our mettle against the Devils and Galaxy, then when Dragons shows up in the playoffs they haven't been tested the same way!
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| posted: 2025-01-06 09:58:07 (ID: 100188390) Report Abuse | |
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ptdoc2017 wrote:
for the record, I wasn't being 100% serious I wouldn't mind if you were, as the East is not that much better off than the West. Yes, they do have won two bowl games, but given the fact that almost twice as many Sea Devils-teams than Dragons-teams went to the playoffs the notion is not that far off. Rufio13 wrote:
It's obviously the fact that Dragons and Monarchs are not allowed to play eachother as regular season foes. We test our mettle against the Devils and Galaxy, then when Dragons shows up in the playoffs they haven't been tested the same way! I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this math, as the Dragons have to play the same divisions (but always the other one of course), so they should be equally as tested 
But it is curious that in 45 seasons the West and the North never played each other in the regular season. |
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| posted: 2025-01-06 14:41:56 (ID: 100188399) Report Abuse | |
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The reason why there is some work in the background to have a more diverse scheduling mechanics ...
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| posted: 2025-01-08 11:46:13 (ID: 100188460) Report Abuse | |
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Let’s start the investigation with a bit of history and have a broad look at different spans of seasons. There’ll be teams that have been out of business for a long time, and team names that weren’t heard in any conversation ever before, at least by us. But there are also teams that are still operating and well known today, which shows that there are some managers who are very dedicated to this great game.
We start at the very beginning of the NC West in the Elite league and look at the Seasons 14–19: The pioneers in S14 were the teams FAJNY TIM, Lightworks, Fighters de Paris and Kolin Walruses, all of which are long out of operation. The first three mentioned did play a pretty good season, finishing at the seeds #4, #6 and #9, which meant two Dragons-teams made it to the first Elite postseason. Both teams dropped out in the Wildcard round, though, both losing against teams from the NC South. In S15 the Underachieving Steamrollers and the Steely Phils took over for the Fighters de Paris and the Kolin Walruses, and especially the Steamrollers came to stay. After winning the Dragons-league in S14 they immediately won the NC West and went to the playoffs, even won their first game there. They dropped out of the postseason in the divisional round, though. Second placed FAJNY TIM did not make it to the tournament this time. In S16 the Steamrollers improved their record and went 14–2 to win the NC West, by far their best result in the league, earning them the #3 seed. They won another playoff game, but dropped out in the divisional round for the second time in a row. FAJNY TIM secured 2nd place in the division, but did not make it to the postseason again. In S17–19 the Steamrollers won the division every time, with the Fighters de Paris (who re-joined the West after winning the Dragons league in S16) being second behind them every time, too. The Steamrollers did not achieve a better seed than #4 in these seasons, though, and dropped out of the playoffs in the first round against the most famous team from the NC South every time. The Fighters did not make it to the postseason tournament. FAJNY TIM, the first winner of the Elite NC West, was relegated to the Dragons region in S17 and never returned to the Elite. The even were relegated to Dragons D2 in S21 and gave up operation soon after. Honorable mentions of teams being part of this first seasons in the Elite NC West include the Palermo Eagles, the Green Eagles, the Besaid Aurochs, the Barcelona Yellow Jackets, the Plainview Bulldogs and the NetHack Blobs. Meanwhile a certain Dragons team began its rise through the ranks in Dragons D7 (yes, there were 7 levels back then) at the end of S15, arriving quickly at D1 in S19 and soon became a staple in Dragons history… but that will be further examined next time. |
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| posted: 2025-01-08 12:18:23 (ID: 100188461) Report Abuse | |
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Just a small hint, at that time, there were no 7 levels.
There was Elite and the level 1 of each region as one league each. Then there was on every region level 2 with 2 leagues on that level, so basically 2.1 and 2.2 Each Bowl participant in 2.1 and 2.2 was promoted directly to level 1. The worst 4 teams from level 1 were relegated directly. The conference championship game losers of each league level 2 did play a relegation match with a team from level 1 5th worst to 8th worst. And then with the same mechanic there was a level 3 with 4 leagues, so 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4. 2.1 was linked to 3.1 and 3.2, 2.2 linked with 3.3 and 3.4 regarding relegation. Level 2 was there from the start onward, level 3 from season 5 onward. Elite was introduced in season 13 as technical construct, so that with rollover to season 14 the initial filling did happen with the conference championship participants. After several seasons did Peter abandon level 3 and later level 2. The leagues were renamed in that process at some point. |
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| posted: 2025-01-08 12:53:06 (ID: 100188462) Report Abuse | |
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Allright, thanks for the explanation. I was already wondering why this certain Dragons Team did show up in Dragons 7, but not in Dragons 6 when they were promoted in S16
When we got here all the leagues below D2 were already closed, and shortly after our arrival that level was shut down, too. |
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| posted: 2025-01-08 13:07:56 (ID: 100188466) Report Abuse | |
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I would like to suggest you to indicate the "champions list" after each period analyzed. Just to make it clear how regions evolved during that time.
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